calvin Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 i am looking to fit a 200tdi into a series(using original gearbox ). one thing that puzzles me is the rad and intercooler. which do i use? do i take the intercooler and rad from the disco, or just the intercooler, if it is just the intercooler where do i mount this and with what rad? i seen a post on another forum which mentioned that they put their intercooler infront of the radiator. how is this done ?( i would like to keep the choping of bodywork to a minimum) if anyone has any experience of fitting 200tdi into a series i would appreciate some pointers or if you have one fitted to your landy some pictures of the layout in the engine bay would be appreciated cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 You wanna talk to Tonk mate. He's the local expert on oil burners into series........ Some pics on his webby - http://www.ttrovers.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonk Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 20 tdi mates straight to your gearbox with no adaptor plate, n/s engine mount lines up, o/s has to be fabbed up, easy enough with engine in situ. the series radiator is well capable of cooling the tdi, which is what i use, i have an intercooler bigger than standard which sits infront of the series rad panel, but i have a defender front end on it to hide it all up, there is room to sit an intercooler infront of the rad but behind the series grill though, it all depends what you want and how good your fabrication is at the end of the day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattMatt Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 if anyone has any experience of fitting 200tdi into a series i would appreciate some pointers or if you have one fitted to your landy some pictures of the layout in the engine bay would be appreciatedcheers I did this.....easy fab. Disco rad but now with 300 intercooler. Dont have to cut loads either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 I have fitted a 2.5TD engine in catflap. I know you're asking about a 200TDi, but there isn't that much difference in what I did. I decided to fit a 200TDi intercooler to help compensate for the heat stress that this engine suffers from. I did think about putting a different front end on, like Tonk has, but wanted to keep the series bodywork as original as possible. There is enough gap between the front panel and front face of the radiator to accomodate the main body of the intercooler, but the pipes of the intercooler that are part of the casting, make it more that twice the width. Unless you are able to find a different intercooler, or have the ability to modify the 200TDi one, you will have to alter the front panel area. Dunno if you are prepared to do it, but this is how I did it:- After careful measuring and the decision to fit a leccy push fan, I made a frame out of angle iron scavenged from an old bed frame to mount the fan to the radiator frame itself with blind rivets. 4xM6 nyloc nuts hold the fan to the frame. Alterations to the intercooler that makes it just 85mm wide so that it will fit in the gap between radiator and front grille.(115mm IIRC) Standard 200TDi intercooler. Pipes cut off flush with the casting. Now 95mm thick. Same size holes in the tank ends Original holes blanked off and sealed with blind rivets and P38 filler. I made two pipes to suit what I wanted to do. Attached to the intercooler with M5 bolts tapped into the alloy casing. Finished article. In place, but the pipes have yet to be trimmed. Same mounting rubbers top and bottom as used when fitted in a disco etc. Finished article (well, except for the wing top and number plate!) Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattMatt Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Niffty light guards - did you make them Les? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Yes I did. I made the front grille, front lamp guards, and rear lamp guards too. I actually don't particularly like the front lamps guard, but I got fed-up of trying to design ones that I liked. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanners Akimbo Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 I've been considering fitting a Tdi lump into a series one for sometime. The original idea was to use the standard gearbox but people kept saying it just wasn't up to the job, I also didn't know were to fit the intercooler, looking at it now I guess I could fit it horizontially below the headlights but infront of the rad if I mod the inlet pipes to suit. Has anyone had any probs running a series box on with a Tdi? I considered fitting a box out of a 90 and just welding up the transfer gears to give perm 4WD, and just use FWH on the front axle when on the road but I'm not sure how long the box is and I've only got 86" to play with! In the end I got a V8 conversion at the right money so I dropped that in, thing is I got a bit carried away with the whole V8 power thing and now it's got 200bhp and it scares me Sh****ess epecially as I'm sitting on the petrol tank! Anyway luckly I blew the box up before I crashed it so I figure now would be a good time to consider a Tdi again. Whats better for a conversion 200 or 300, and do you have to have a defender manifold to clear the chassis with the turbo or can you just drop a disco lump straight in? Cheers, Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minivin Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Mike Stringer runs a 200TDi and Series box, done two Italian Alps trips and two Ireland trips, 2nd gear synchro is now iffy, but it's still going strong after many thousands of miles. Pretty much a case of how you use the engine will determine the life of your transmission, but since you say you've blown a transmission up already I'll give you a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanners Akimbo Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Mike Stringer runs a 200TDi and Series box, done two Italian Alps trips and two Ireland trips, 2nd gear synchro is now iffy, but it's still going strong after many thousands of miles.Pretty much a case of how you use the engine will determine the life of your transmission, but since you say you've blown a transmission up already I'll give you a year Err In my defence, I think the gearbox was a little tired before I used it in the V8. I took it out of my series III diesel when the engine developed a slight knocking noise and a bit of an oil leak.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 I'm not surprised - there's a loose bolt in the second pic. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 All hail that man He managed to kill a 2.25 diesel How did you do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattMatt Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 Try this http://www.landrovernet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65241 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanners Akimbo Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 All hail that man He managed to kill a 2.25 diesel How did you do it? Well it was knocking a tad when I got it, I just kinda assumed they all sounded like that never owned a diesel landie before. Strange thing was it suddenly got a awful lot louder, and then there was this bang, followed by a REALLY loud knocking noise and rather a lot of smoke. At this point I figured it was not good news, so I drove straight home as fast as I could (55ish mph) which was a twenty mile trip. It didn't even overheat................. The crankshaft has since done around 6000 miles in another motor, It didn't even get a regrind!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanners Akimbo Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 Try thishttp://www.landrovernet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65241 Cheers that's brillant, My only prob I can see is mounting the intercooler as I want to keep the front end original. I reckon I may be able to lie it down in front of the rad, just above the front crossmember but I'm not sure if I'll be able to use the front mounted electric fan, I guess it's just a case of suck it and see! How's it running? What made you choose a 200Tdi over a 300Tdi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selectcase Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 I think the 300tdi engine mountings are further forward meaning fabricating new engine mountings(i could be completley wrong here). the disco 200tdi will go in with no engine mods because the injection pump is mounted higher but the exhaust is a pain because of the lower mounted turbo. the defender 200tdi avoids the exhaust issues as the turbo is higher mounted but the injection pump is mounter lower meaning modified engine mounting on that side. the front timing belt covers are differant on disco/defender 200tdi,s so if you get a defender high mounted turbo&manifold and try to fit it to the disco it will foul the alternator etc. hope that helps will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattMatt Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 How's it running?What made you choose a 200Tdi over a 300Tdi? I bought a really cheap Disco with a remanufactured engine, that was the only reason for the 200 rather than the 300. It runs very well. I'm going to change the gearbox for a LT soon as the extra torque will tear it to bits soon. Jerico has a 300 in his IIA and has done a really nice job on the power steering which I am hoping to copy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gremlin Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Cheers that's brillant, My only prob I can see is mounting the intercooler as I want to keep the front end original. I reckon I may be able to lie it down in front of the rad, just above the front crossmember but I'm not sure if I'll be able to use the front mounted electric fan, I guess it's just a case of suck it and see! How's it running? What made you choose a 200Tdi over a 300Tdi? Well here is mine, defender 200 in the engine bay. Intercooler is tilted at 45 deg to clear the steering rod and relay and has its own fan which comes on only on boost. Grem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanners Akimbo Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Well here is mine, defender 200 in the engine bay. Intercooler is tilted at 45 deg to clear the steering rod and relay and has its own fan which comes on only on boost. Grem Mmmh it's an idea..... The problem I have is with it being a 86" series one I've got an Engine bay which is 2" shorter than a Series 2 or 3 and I've also got the lights in the grill so space is really going to be at a premium mind you I've managed to cram a V8 in there and still shut the bonnet...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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