Chicken Drumstick

I've seen it listed as a catalyst before, infact lots of automotive things get called that, I found this website which was quite interesting though: http://www.mrsharkey.com/lpg.htm It says this: Although I admit I have little idea if its accurate or not... Still wouldn't mind hearing some 1st hand experience with propane on a Landy Tdi though, I've heard of some on VW Tdi's but they didn't seem to report much success, although this might just have been their setup. But if it offers anything like the performance claimed in Allisports ad then it should be rather impressive.

So you've tried it? I understand how some can say like nitrous, but it's quite a differenet process as far as I understand. Isn't NOS an oxidiser while propane in diesel is an accelerant?? Guess I'll have to wait until next week and see if Andy gets back to me. Always has in the past (they tuned my 200Tdi and fitted the intercooler).

I'm interested in the Allisport propane kit for my 200Tdi. I understand how it works and also know its not new. I've tried emailing Allisport but to no avail. Does anyone having any experience with it? What sort of real world power gains should be expected and how reliable has it been? I've seen what looks to be the same kit from a US supplier: http://www.dieselperformanceproducts.com/ Anyone know if it is the same? Ta.

I'm not sure TBH, I think it sounds like a lot of work, especially when you can buy a new coil sprung 88" chassis or just chop down a RR/Disco chassis. I'd have though welding the spring perches onto the axles and running with parabolic suspension would be a good bet if you just want the axles.

White spoke could mean the turbo's on the way out IMO. Maybe burning the bearings up. Oil smoke normally has more of a blue tinge to it.

I also agree, why spend money when its not needed. If you are going to tear into it I personally wouldn't bother with stock parts. Go for a performance cam and maybe some decent heads, it'll really wake the motor up and allow it to run how its supposed to.

Factory V8 90/110 models use the LT85 box, its a tad stronger but not as nice. A good LT77S or R380 for most people will be as good. RR and Disco V8 only ever used the LT77 or R380 (except early RR that had Lt95 4 speeder). Gearing is similar and diff gears are all the same.

I know what you mean, but yes in a way you are. The V8 has been in Landy's since 1970 in the Range Rover, 79 in the Stage 1 and all thru the 80's in the 90/110. Not too mention others such as the 101. Also in some markets (USA) the V8 has been the only engine available in RR's. Disco's and Defenders.

Afraid I don't know much about these engines. Are they really worth the hassle when compared to a TD5? What sort of hp/torque do they produce and who makes conversion kits for them? Thanks

It might be or it might not. Some people have lots of trouble and some don't have any. Diesels never really seem to have a problem though. However if you're not going to wade in deep water, don't let this be the decider for you. There are lots of V8's about, but they always seem more expensive to me. You can buy a Tdi off Ebay for £350, most V8's seem to be around £500. You could buy an entire vehicle with either engine in for £300-500 pounds though (MOT failed RR or Disco). Yes. A 2.5d has 67bhp and 100lb ft, a 200Tdi has 107/111bhp and ~195lb ft (Disco has slightly more power). However with a tweak of the injector pump you can get it drive a lot lot better. If you add a big intercooler to it its a whole different ball game. Up to around 70mph my modded 200Tdi Disco manual would give an auto 3.9 RR a could run for its money. BTW - I've driven a few V8 Landy's, they are good and fun but a Tdi offers 90% of the ability with nearly double the economy. The TD5 just makes the V8 look out dated (which it is) and will easily out perform a V8 or match it, even a 4.6 PS - I actually love the RV8, I have 3.5 making around 220-230bhp in a sports car. But I see the benefit of diesel engines in a Landy. Now if the Jaguar AJ8 DOHC engine was eaiser to get working without the rest of the car it came out of, then it would be a great option, sadly I don't think it's really that viable yet.

Depends on what you want from it. A V8 is a nice way to go and will sound great but it does have it's downsides. Mostly running costs, if you go carb expect 12-15mpg no matter what you do, EFI (Megasquirt) should see better mpg, but if you are averaging more than 18mpg then there would have been no point fitting a V8 as you evidently wouldn't be using in the proper fashion, if you know what I mean Personally I'd say go for a diesel. A 200/300Tdi is pretty cheap now and with a few tweaks will run more power and torque than a 3.5 V8 and not be far behind a 3.9/4.0 RV8 (and arguably drive better). You'll also see 25-35mpg and will be better in the water. I also quite like the sound the diesels make too. I've got a tweaked 200Tdi in my Disco, it should be making around 150bhp/260 lb ft compared to 134bhp/187lb ft for a low CR 3.5 V8. If you have the money and ability your best bet would be a TD5 though. Fantastic engine and should be an easy swap into a 110. Ok they only have 122bhp/137bhp (Def/Disco) stock, but a few tweaks and your talking 200bhp+ TD5!!! Only other oddball option would be a modern V8 like a Chevy LS, minimal of 350bhp. But this will be a lot more work and require tranny and drivetrain upgrades.

I used to have trac-edges on my 90. Great DD tyre and will go anywhere anytime. Ok in the wet they are not as good as some road biased tyres on tarmac, but they are a very good everyday tyre. Personally preferred them to BFG A/T's. Don't know how the remould will fair, but it should be ok. If I was looking for an AT I'd probably go for it.

Do you plan to retain leaf springs or convert to coil?

That's true, mines a 3 door so don't have the problem. Afraid bodylifts are a little out of my knowledge base though, hopefully someone else will chime in.

I have indeed! :D :D :D And I just love em. Although I think the GM Duramax V8 is king at the moment. 6.6 litres DOHC common rail, variable nozzle turbo and all the trimmings. There are plenty making around 800bhp and 1200lb ft or torque. Sadly don't think a LR drivetrain or chassis would cope with that though.....

Smoke is good the more smoke the more power in diesel tuning. Mines not too modded, just a Allisport full width intercooler and tuned injector pump and upped boost (it's a 200Tdi so now matches 300Tdi on boost). And a slightly freer flowing exhaust. I do run some big Simex mud tyres (33.11.50) and with stock gearing this does dampen the acceleration a bit. While touring in Wales the other year I easily out powered a stock TD5 Disco II in the hills and on the straights, so I know it must be running ok. Having said that a stock D3 2.7 TDV6 will romp all over me as though I'm going backwards.... I've been looking into the Allisport propane kit, just waiting for them to get back to me with some more details. But I think it might be a good way to go. If you don't mind slightly higher cruising rpms it might be worth looking at swapping the LT230 transfer box for one out of a Defender, those ones are more aggressively geared for high range, either that or change the diff gears, but that gets pricey.

Personally I think it's more about trimming than just lifting. Well trimmed arches and a 2" lift would probably do it IMO, but I am only guessing. Not really keen on body lifts myself. You'll also need to hack the front bumper down if it wraps round the sides and the sills will also get in the way.

What V8 did you have before? Remember a decently tweaked Tdi should only be making around 150bhp/260lb ft with a limited rev range. It should drive well and have nice power delivery. But a 3.9 V8 has 182bhp and similar torque and should be quicker still. I'm not far from you (just S of MK). If you wanted a comparison your welcome to have a ride in my tweaked 200Tdi Disco or run yours side by side with mine.

Wow didn't even know there was a Commercial D3, don't think I've seen any on the roads. Do they still have the TRS?

Depends on many things. 1. Exactly what tyres including width and tread. 2. What rims and offset 3. Intended use for the LR If you just want to run some A/T's and keep it on the tarmac then very little needs to be done. If you plan to off road to a greater or lesser extremes then it'll take more. I run 33.11.50R15 with big lugs, they measure about 34" though, running on 15x8 steel 8 spokes (sometimes with 1" wheel spacers). I have stock ride height & uprated suspension and trimmed arches. I also off road it.

Yes its worth it. You can never have enough power, a remapped one will put the engine where it should be instead of the dumbed down tune LR use. Or put it this way - once you've driven a remapped one, you won't ever want to drive a stock one again. No real negatives, only the cost of getting it done.

Nice, I like the yellow and those tyres look bigger than the specs on them - me like

Very interesting, is there any more info on this?? Have there been any changes to the setup at all Fridge?

Many thanks. Think I'll just stick with the +2" ES9000 shocks and some RM 2 leaf para's as my chosen setup. All I have to do now is sit and wait for them to come in stock....

Thanks. The vehicle is only going to be used off road, RTV trials mostly or going over the fields. One thing I've noticed on other Series motors running 3 leaf setups is they don't articulate very well at the rear, but maybe its just the setup on those vehicles. They are all 88" pickups too but I don't know the make of springs.