Les Henson

So just change the badge then? Les

It's red. Red Land Rovers ain't worth much, they attract dents. I'll give you £50 if the tank is full! Les

I've kept the name catflap which I believe was credited to Rogue Trooper, although I don't remember to be honest. I was driving in a quarry in Warwickshire when I accidentally reversed into a pointy rock that punched a hole straight through the back door. He (?) commented that I now had a catflap in the back door and the name stuck. Seeing as how the 88" S3 that I now have has been made from many ideas and parts from the old catflap, it seemed only right and proper to keep the name. Not a lady though - Catflap is definitely a bloke! Les.

I should make it clearer (sorry) Trev has said he doesn't want me as Admin when he takes over the LRA (the first one) I resigned as Admin on LRE through yet more carp from Richard Green and his attitude to this forum. I stayed as moderator of the international forum because I still want to be a part of a team that helps and enjoys the 'company' of it's members. Some of us keep asking important questions concerning Trevs action in all of this, and we are repeatedly ignored, even though Trev can be seen to be reading the relevant threads. This is understandably very annoying to myself, Tony C, and MOG. Other forum members aslo ask questions, and are ignored for the most part. Two weeks ago this forum was first class, now it's ****e. The LRE forum isn't worth all of this in my opinion, You all made the posts, you all are the forum, never mind the name of the site, if someone asks pretty-much any question regarding a Land Rover, if there was no archive, they would still get the information they require from you all. So it's you members that are important, you all make whatever site you are on the best. I offered to buy the LRe site and had I got it I would have picked the bones, got geoff to put everything in the new LRA site, and it would be there for anyone to look at if they wanted. LRA would be as good still and all this carp wouldn't have happened. The price Trev has paid in all this secrecy and other carp just isn't worth it in my opinion. Shame as it is, there is a lot of friction between moderators and forum members alike at present. The original idea was for everyone that was a member of LRE to come over here as the site was on the brink of collapse. I posted at one point that it seemed unlikely that we would get the archive, and in general people didn't seem to mind too much. LRA was faster, easy on the eyes for you lazy office types,. and free from politics. A lot of you offered to donate money to keep the site free from commercial control. There's several hundred pounds promised a while ago, plus design for t-shirts, stickers etc. I still say that there should never have been any secrets, if we couldn't get LRE out in the open, then it wasn't worth the aggravation it all has caused. Les.

Trev (Bigfoot) owns the domain names for LRAddict.com LRAddict .co.uk, and maybe others. He is owner and admin of LRE He is owner of LRA He also has a paypal account in the LRAddict name. He also has a bank account in the LRAddict name. LRA will be absorbed by the old LRE site and they will become one. I've been sacked as Admin on LRA. Too much secrecy, and too much silence, I bluddy hated it Bad planning and the price has been heavy. You have all been kept in the dark, at least soon all will be known. Les.

Well one works, but not the other. I took these mounts off of an ex-mil 2.5 N/A engine. Passenger side is fine, but drivers is obviously not. This is a 2.5TD from a 1990 90, going into a 1972 88" SWB S3. This is ok, and lowering the engine will obviously line up. Drivers side is a different matter. the rubber mount is not even bolted on with it's metal bracket that's held in place by a couple of 9/16" bolts. The passenger side is 2" too high, but this side is touching while the engine is still level. Les.

Thanks Ralph, correct as always (well except for your choice of wig! ) Stephen, you taking the mickey? Is this the start of a string of propshaft jokes due to my recent error with one? Should I go and Borrow Nige's coat, as he seems to have not needed to use it for a week at least? Les.

I understand that a 110 and 130 exhaust is just a short piece of exhaust pipe that is coincidentally the same length as the first silencer on a 90 or 110. £37 for this bit of pipe, and I always thought that there was a noise and small performance improvement. Les.

What engine mounts do I have to use to sit the 2.5TD engine in a series chassis. The engine is connected to the gearbox, but is sitting on a big lump of wood at present because I can't figure out which mounts to use. I have series diesel mounting rubbers, but the metal brackets that bolt to the block are doing in my [scots] HEED[/scots] Les

Sorry everyone. I didn't pay attention. I thought the TDi comment was about the one in the 90. No chrome really, just a poor taste joke. The seat box is a bit bling, but at least you won't see it with the doors on! Les B's motor seemed fine to me and worked ok. No doubt he'll respond after the confusion! Les.

I've cut 3mil cold pressed steel with a B&D pendulum jigsaw. Spray occasionally with WD40 or similar type of oil, take it easy and don't let the blade get hot or the tips of the teeth will quickly blunt. You need a good quality blade as well, you get what you pay for when doing this type of work. If you are cutting a curve, then one that's tight will heat up the blade very quickly, and may cause it to seize or break. I wouldn't try to go to 6mm though. Les.

Go ahead. Bob has asked to do it too. Les.

The Aussies have had the ashes for long enough. It's about time we got our mitts on then for a change. Les.

I tried to remove the remains of the 2 1/4 petrol engine that was in catflap when I bought him. I got an engine crane, so no sweat. I checked all the wiring etc was removed, no earth cables, exhaust, bell housing nuts, fuel pipes, etc etc. Tied the strap around the crank, dropped it down the drivers side and then reached underneath to retrieve the end, tied it off so that the engine would be lifted nice and sqaure - just like you're supposed to. I undid the engine mounting rubbers, lifted the engine clear of them, placed support under the gearbox, a small gap appeared between bell housing and engine - that's good, it's coming. Pry bar in the gap and lever, creaking sound. I figure that something has rusted (the clutch perhaps on the gearbox input shaft), so continue to lever, curse, sweat, get a bigger lever, swear a LOT more, sweat a lot more. The engine finally comes away from the gearbox, but it still won't move up or out of the engine bay. I look around - everything looks clear of the chassis, gearbox etc, so I get underneath. This is what I see. What a plonker! A new propshaft gaiter is needed now, and a smack round the head for being a dork. Les

I wish there was Jim, but I don't think so. You carried that gearbox/transfer case down the drive on your own? Very impressive. They ain't light as you no doubt know. Les.

I had a bit of a job trying to figure out what you two were on about for a minute! If it's Land Rover related, then sad to say that a short while after I finished fitting the TDi engine into the 90, which is actually Sue's - she chucked me in. [sad]. The 90 is hers, so she has it. The ltwt is hers, so she has taken that back. As there were more important things in my life, such as setting up a new life with her, I decided that it wouldn't be feasable to re-build catflap, the S2A, and the S1, so I gave her all the bits for the S1 as she seems to collect them anyway. At present I don't have a Land Rover in working order, The 2A is ready for a tart up and then an MOT. I'll then sell it for a profit and use the money to try to get my life back in some kind of order. I drove to Tonys Bash in a poxy Pug 309, and that pile of carp is what I'm driving at present. I hate the comfort and near silence, but it's what I have to put up with for now. I'm going as fast as I can to get catflapII back on the road. The engine went in it today, and if I was to work on him and nothing else I could get him all finished within a couple of weeks. Work has picked up unfortunately. I tried to get this weekend just to work on him, but I have two jobs turn up that I'll have to do. The paint supplier has let me down three times now, and I have to wait again for another week for the metallic blue that I'm using. The body is painted, as is the front panel, bonnet, both doors, and one wing. The 'Wolf type' door tops had to be dismantled to be painted, and they don't come apart like a series one does. Rivets have to drilled out, glued bits have to carefully prised apart, and the glass has to masked because the window slide and handle are glued to the glass. It took me a whole day to take one apart, wash it, degrease it, prime twice, top coat 4-times. I have got the steel tubing to make the exhaust, the downpipe will be the original item and I have to wait until next week for that as Bearmach don't have one in stock. Sue has the radiator and associated pipework for the new engine, so I will have to buy new bits. Splitting up has broke my heart to be honest, things are real bad at present. I have to say that Fiona has been a shoulder to cry on, she's a true friend. As are Tony and Val, and a few others. There has also been things going on behind the scenes that you will all become aware of eventually. There will be new Admin, at least in part. I was Tonys winch Biatch, and it was fun, and a little painful. I enjoyed meeting a lot of old friends and some new ones, drinking too much, having three girls scream in my lug-hole , and Val trying to match me up with a scary lady That's it, how sad can it get? Here's a dead sexy piccy of catflap I took at 4:45pm today (Saturday) isn't he, erm sexy? B) I also thought I would make some rock sliders for him. The metal only cost 30 squids and I just have to make the mounting brackets, then off to get them chromed Les.

Thanks chaps. The turbo is not new and is not bone dry. There must be a residue of oil in there still though. I'm aware of the temperature, even on the 'cold' side. I've checked turbo shaft float on engines that have only been idle overnight or even a few hours, and they have always been easy to move. I was going to spin the engine for a while with the fuel switched off anyway to re-distribute oil around the engine, so the turbo oil feed would be up to pressure again before I started the engine. I've never come across the stiffness that there is in this Turbo and didn't want it to be damaged. The vanes are so stiff as to prevent me from being able to check for the acceptable play that there should be in the shaft due to ther floating bearing. I did think about using a re-chargeable drill to spin the shaft a bit to see if it eases it off. Do you think this might work? I could apply oil directly to the turbo by removing the top pipe and pouring it in. Les.

Ok, yesterday I sealed off the bits of the engine that had to remain dry, and then steam cleaned the 2.5Td engine that's going to go in catflap today. When I took the tape/plugs/etc off of the engine I checked the turbo vanes for excessive play. Although it feels smooth, the vanes are very difficult to turn. As if the shaft is running in really thick grease. No water got in the turbo and the whole engine has been kept in the dry for approximately 3-months. Is this normal for a cold turbo? If not, has anyone any advice as to why this is and what to do about it? Thanks in advance. Les.

The news this morning - a ban on trail bikes and 4x4's has been extended by a further 12 months. Yorkshire Dales Park Authority and a Trail Rider got to have their say, but no-one for the 4x4's. The ususal accusations of motorised vehicles destroying the byeways was used as the reason, as well as peace and quite for walkers, riders, and cyclists. Dales Rep said people don't want to have to 'dodge out of the way of motorised vehicles' - so you don't need to for horses and cyclists then? The rep for the trail riders stated that he hopes thta in 12-months time there could be an agreement with the parks authority for some kind of motorised access. That would be nice, but I think it's highly unlikely myself. Increasingly, bans are being extended or kept for pathetic excuses, mis-management, and plain lies. If you aren't fit enough, then you are banned from enjoying the Yorkshire Dales. What rubbish. Les.

Spot on! Les.

Once a trouble maker, always a trouble maker! Les

Rand Lover I now offically know everthing in the world there is to know about LandRovers. Go-on, ask me anything. I am completely rebuilding my engine/gearbox/axels after work,I have allowed 3/4 of an hour for this task. Then I will then be up the pub, where you can find me locked into a discussion on gear ratios/vin numbers/The philosophy of the Tdi and how to drive a 4X4 properly. Tommorrow I plan to fit a Horizontally opposed,reverse Turbo nutter ******* 1907 Traction engine into my Ford Ka/Kawasaki/Series2a Hybrid, although this depends on finishing building the chassis from scratch within the first half of the morning. I am available for speaches, parties and general consoltations,Charges are £500 per hour, satisfaction is my middle name. Yours Dr.Rand 'Satisfaction' Lover Post Extras: Exmoor Beast (Member) 29/11/01 09:35 PM Re: It's official Reply OK smartypants Why do spiders only live in the corner of the windscreen on the drivers side? Ah, I've just worked it out myself.. Will Post Extras: M005 (Member) 29/11/01 09:41 PM Re: It's official Reply NUTS Completely & utterly NUTS People have told me Land Rovers can have this affect on new owners Now get onto Treadwear and get yourself a sticker that reads "Beware this Land Rover contains NUTS" Beast - so are you going to tell us why?? Post Extras: Post Extras: Exmoor Beast (Member) 29/11/01 09:48 PM Re: It's official Reply Its obvious really, they need the steering wheel to use as a fixing point for their webs! Don't you just love life with a Land-Rover... Something to learn every day... Will Post Extras: rtbarton (Member) 29/11/01 10:03 PM Re: It's official Reply Funny you should say that, I had a guy round here yesterday complaining about the cobweb that kept appearing just at that place. Post Extras: aardstrider (Member) 29/11/01 10:07 PM Re: It's official Reply Got yourself a manual now have you Official factory-installed LR spiders are standard RHD models & should only be replaced with ones intended for the British market. Post Extras: Jabber (Member) 29/11/01 10:13 PM Re: It's official Reply Mr Lover, I am sure J C, no not that one Jeremy Clarkson would love to meet you so that he is able to get a new slant on things automobilia. We are truly satisfied to have someone with your great knowledge on board. They need a load of your knowlegde at Lode Lane. Post Extras: Rand Lover (Member) 29/11/01 11:01 PM Re: It's official Reply Actually... Land Rover Spiders (LRS) cannot spin their webs in any old place, there appears to be an inherant problem with the silk chemicals setting off a reaction when affixed to the aluminium panels of a LandRover. Hence the need to spot weld fixing points to the steering wheel which does not react and corrode in the same way. Part No B156PP007 the Spider Web Welding Kit. (SWWK) is available from your local dealer. Post Extras: Jabber (Member) 29/11/01 11:47 PM Re: It's official Reply Can you help. is it the LRS that causes the fine thread like appearances under the paint work near larger white blobs which I assume are nests for the embrionic LRSs. Have you any suggestions as to how we can eliminate this problem. I have naturally tried the usual suggestion of conkers in the LR. Your comments great encylopeadia of the LR. Post Extras: aardstrider (Member) 30/11/01 12:03 AM Re: It's official Reply Jabber, I think you may have had a cheap foreign pattern LRS fitted. You will probably have to take the gearbox out to fix this problem. Post Extras: Simon_CSK (Member) 30/11/01 12:44 AM Re: It's official Reply quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Aardstrider: Jabber, I think you may have had a cheap foreign pattern LRS fitted. You will probably have to take the gearbox out to fix this problem. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aardstrider You only have to take the gearbox out if the LRS has been fitted up-side-down and as you know the pattern ones will not last as long unless they have been coated in a web protection agent (WPA) from the likes of Finnigans Post Extras: SG (Member) 30/11/01 12:52 AM Re: It's official Reply Rand. What tyres should I use on my new project Hybrid. Its a 1972 Rangerover chassis cut down to 84" wheelbase. 2" offset front to rear due to dodgy welding. Suzuki Jimny Body cut down centre and widened to fit chassis. 5 cylinder engine from an old Audi mated to a Ford Bronco transmission with Jeep transferbox Back axle from a Jag, front from WWII Willys. Currently running 205s on front and 750s on back due to different diff ratios. Post Extras: Rand Lover (Member) 30/11/01 01:04 AM Re: It's official Reply Thats simple! Remove wheels and Tyres, try to get hold of a set of 1981 Massey Fergeson 595 rims & tyres. You may have to remove a small amount of bodywork to get them to fit, but it'll be worth it! Don't worry about your different diff ratios, have you seen the power those toy cars that you drag backwards produce? You'll have a monster on your hands. Post Extras: cols110 (Member) 30/11/01 01:28 AM Re: It's official Reply Where`s my f@cking spider, Ive just checked and there is`nt one fitted, now I`m p1ssed. Back at home you can get the odd 6 foot brown snake fitted too, NOW thats one option that makes you know your alive, after you have just closed the door. cols110 Post Extras: Leslie Henson (Member) 30/11/01 01:49 AM Re: It's official Edit Reply Cols110, if you don't ahve a spider, then you need LR part No SFK001 (spider fitting kit) These kits are a seasonal optional extra and you need to purchase the kit in mid-spring where it will germinate a week later. It is a very serious matter not to have the statutory spider in a Landrover and the only people that are exempt are those with V8 engines as it is considered that they have enough problems keeping water out of their engines! (I'm for it now) Les. Post Extras: Landyman (Member) 30/11/01 01:59 AM Re: It's official Reply Hey I have the obligatory spider in my 90. I thought mine was unique whats the part no for said spider? Post Extras: cols110 (Member) 30/11/01 02:15 AM Re: It's official Reply Aaarrgh, I see. Thanks Les my 110 is a V8, that explains the missing spider kit, I will keep my eyes peeled next spring as you never know when one just may turn up. cols110 Post Extras: Ian (Member) 30/11/01 02:24 AM Re: It's official Reply quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by SG: Rand. What tyres should I use on my new project Hybrid. Its a 1972 Rangerover chassis cut down to 84" wheelbase. 2" offset front to rear due to dodgy welding. Suzuki Jimny Body cut down centre and widened to fit chassis. 5 cylinder engine from an old Audi mated to a Ford Bronco transmission with Jeep transferbox Back axle from a Jag, front from WWII Willys. Currently running 205s on front and 750s on back due to different diff ratios. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- round black ones Ian Post Extras: priglet (Member) 30/11/01 02:50 AM Re: It's official Reply cols110, If you send me an sae I can supply a spider free of charge. My vehicle was built during the spider epidemic of 1995 when land rover had an excess of spiders and no where to store them so installed one in each corner of the vehicle. Post Extras: aardstrider (Member) 30/11/01 02:51 AM Re: It's official Reply Is there a kit available for wading with LRS fitted Rand? I've tried 16 little wellies - V8s have twin-spiders - but they won't fit on. Post Extras: Leslie Henson (Member) 30/11/01 03:16 AM Re: It's official Edit Reply The problem with the wellies is that the spiders cannot hang on their webs when wearing them and they then fall off and sometimes drown or get caught on the wing mirror of a passing S****i or J**p. This was a common reason for the serious mental problems encountered with LR spiders in the 80's. When you buy shackle bushes for your Landrover, the plastic tubey-bag that it comes in should be kept for the purpose of keeping Landyspider dry. The two power points on the Series dashboard were there for the Spider-dry which was an optional extra on all Landrovers up to 1985. Les. Post Extras: Stuart Jenkins (Member) 30/11/01 03:20 AM Re: It's official Reply My spider lives on the passenger side, but sometimes he has a wander around and drops down on a thread right into my line of vision while I'm driving! I might have to resort to putting him on a lead - does anyone have the part number of the Genuine Parts one? These pattern spider leads are rubbish. Post Extras: Leslie Henson (Member) 30/11/01 03:31 AM Re: It's official Edit Reply STC (spider tether cord) 002. Make sure you get a RHD one as it will confuse your spider. Les. Post Extras: andih (Member) 30/11/01 03:33 AM Re: It's official Reply so now i know that the LRS was standard fit, what i want to know is was my multi LRS an optional extra??? as my '96 110 also has an abundance in the roof linning. i also assume that it was a clever piece of engineering by land rover in the fact that the cab always lets water in so as to provide liquid refreshment for the LRS i also assume that it was deliberate policy for the passenger window not to wind all the way up whilst moving (unless the drivers window is partly down) to allow air flow to keep the LRS cool during hot weather Post Extras: cols110 (Member) 30/11/01 03:44 AM Re: It's official Reply TRUE STORY When I was younger and more stupid, I just got my licence and first car a V8 4.2ltre HQ holden (for the benift of Aussie ussers) I just cracked 100mph on a quite open country road, pulled the sun visor down and there was this big black huntsman spider (big barsteds, not to dangerous or aggresive though) stareing at me, I shat myself, hit the picks, opened the door flicked it out and stomped on the barsted, then continued on at a much more subdued pace with a slightly higher heart rate. cols110 Post Extras: Leslie Henson (Member) 30/11/01 03:45 AM Re: It's official Edit Reply Andih, if you have multiple LRS inyou 90, then it is very rare. Landrover only fitted multi LRS at the beginning of the 90 production run and it has been proven that there are only 10 90's with multi LRS factory fitted. I think that you will find that Landrover Specially Silly Vehicles built these 10 vehicles with spider preservation body modifications. Unfortunately, the birth of the Discovery brought about the end of LRS as the interior was too softy/fluffy bunny/warmycosydry for the spiders. Les. Post Extras: SVENUK (Member) 30/11/01 03:56 AM Re: It's official Reply That confirms it.We are all finally cracked.My over half reads this forum and said we are bloody bonkers and need to all lye down in a dark room with a copy of a jeep catologue.Personnally i've got a whole tribe running riot in my 101gs.Anyway ,they keep you company when you are on your own. 101GS 81 RR lpg Post Extras: ISLWYN (Member) 30/11/01 04:04 AM Re: It's official Reply Anyone know of the WEBsite address where I can buy a L.R.S. from. Post Extras: ibell (Member) 30/11/01 04:43 AM Re: It's official Reply Carpfisher- No, No, not TRIBE dammit! Ex-military vehicles, depending on size, were fitted with either a REGIMENT (101), COMPANY (109) or PLATOON (Lightweight). If you look carefully, you will see that each M.S.L.R.S.*(Mk.9, mod 3) is equipped with Boots, 8 in number, marching, for the use of. Also equipped (if combat regiment) with S.S.S.L.R.,0.0000762.** Here in Norway, the ex-military vehicles are equipped with M.S.L.R.S.(Ski)(Winter Camouflage), or in summer M.S.L.R.S (S.B.S)***(S.C.U.S.B.A.)**** *Military Specification Land Rover Spider **Spider Size Self Loading Rifle, 0.0000762 calibre *** Spider Boat Service ****Self Contained Underwater Spider Breathing Aparatus NOTE:Spiders thus equipped CANNOT be washed down the plughole in the bath. They just come back up again. Fit a ladder made from wool, (your sandbag may be able to knit a pretty one in matching colours), to the side of the bath. They can't climb out of the bath without one, as the Boots, 8 in number, Marching, for the use of, are tackitty and slide on the enamel. Now you know. If you hear 7,clonk,7,clonk, you have a spider with a wooden leg. Treat this one with respect, as it has been wounded for Land Rover and Country. This could turn out to be a very long 'thread'. Sorry! Iain Disco Col, try http://www.spiders.com ! [ 11-29-2001: Message edited by: ibell ] Post Extras: mr wuffles (Member) 30/11/01 04:48 AM Re: It's official Reply quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Rand Lover: I now offically know everthing in the world there is to know about LandRovers. Go-on, ask me anything. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- everything except Land Rover is two words Rockslider Could the early demise of the Centre Steer be down to a lack of LRS that would swing both ways? Or was it due to industrial action on the part of the LRS union,complaining about working conditions IE the excessive distances to be travelled from side to side of the cab? By the way,my 300 Tdi Disco had a resident LRS in the nearside alpine roof light.As this was a right hand drive,is it possible that there are mutant strains of LRS,or is it cross breeding with the BMWS? My new Td5 Disco does not have an LRS,which is a shame.Perhaps they are too ashamed to be seen in a Ford.EVEN SPIDERS HAVE PRINCIPALS. (I'm going.I'll get therapy.Don't hit me.) Post Extras: Mike Brown (Member) 30/11/01 05:36 AM Re: It's official Reply Fu*kin' lost it, the lot of you. Aw man, why did I ever get involved?? Anyone wanna do a trade with my Lt/wt for a Mondeo??? Post Extras: steve (Member) 30/11/01 05:38 AM Re: It's official Reply Surely a spider that swings both ways would be more at home in a s***ki, complete with lowered suspension and ludicrously wide wheels!!!! Post Extras: cols110 (Member) 30/11/01 05:50 AM Re: It's official Reply Feck me mike a light weight for a mondeo you tell us who`s lost it. I hope another L/R is in the pipe line. cols110 Post Extras: Leslie Henson (Member) 30/11/01 06:07 AM Re: It's official Edit Reply Ibell, you can't mention Spider boat service on the net! You are in breach of the Official Spider Act and are open to prosecution! It's slack comments like that that lead to terrorist ants invading spider secure zones. Rockslider, I think you'll find that the centre steer was equipped with a specially trained spider that could make a web in both corners of a Landrover. I think the official name of this species was DCS (double-corner-spider) Les. Post Extras: andih (Member) 30/11/01 06:22 AM Re: It's official Reply les. has anybody got any photos etc of DCS? to prove they existed. do you know of any still about, or did they vanish along with the centre steer??? andi. Post Extras: brucep (Member) 30/11/01 06:23 AM Re: It's official Reply You lot are 'kin barking, the lot of you! Keep it up, this is the best laugh I've had in ages Post Extras: Jabber (Member) 30/11/01 06:33 AM Re: It's official Reply This is SSS ( Serious Spider Stuff). Those members who think we have lost it must be WWW (Without Web Wonderment) Problems. Perhaps WWT (Web Weaving Training) is necessary for them. The new TD5 (Terribly Dirty Mk5) with ABS (Anti British Spiders) and HDC (Heavy Disinfectant Control) may be the vehicle they long for. Post Extras: andih (Member) 30/11/01 06:41 AM Re: It's official Reply on a serious note, does anybody know where i can get my LRS serviced? because over the last few days i've noticed that mine are getting erratic, and dont seem to move about so much. i'd rather have them fixed before they breakdown altogether. also is there anything that i can do to help them out as we work in centralish london a lot and i'm worried that the poor air quality may affect them? andi. Post Extras: Mike Buckley (Member) 30/11/01 06:47 AM Re: It's official Reply I'm getting stuck here - are you all spinning it out a bit? Surely it's time to fly off somewhere and catch something else in the web? Incidentally, CSW's come with 1 internal spider, 2 external mirror-spiders and a work-light spider as standard fitment. Extra was the roof-rack spider set - one per corner. Post Extras: sg (Member) 30/11/01 06:50 AM Re: It's official Reply andih I'm worried too. cannot find any mention of LRS in the Haynes Manual. Can someone with the original workshop manual oblige with maintainance schedule. There are so many little parts. Do you need special tools for servicing or will Mk1 hammer do the job? Post Extras: vicky (Member) 30/11/01 07:05 AM Re: It's official Reply quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Les Henson: Unfortunately, the birth of the Discovery brought about the end of LRS as the interior was too softy/fluffy bunny/warmycosydry for the spiders. Les. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hah!, That explains why mine lives in the wing mirror Post Extras: Gill Lill (Member) 30/11/01 07:23 AM Re: It's official Reply I was enjoying all this until I saw the spider Post Extras: Leslie Henson (Member) 30/11/01 07:29 AM Re: It's official Edit Reply I think you'll find that most manuals will not give any information about LRS. There was a special handbook supplied with the vehicles from new. To protect the species, the books were made out of a special type of paper that disintegrated after it had been read. Most LRS become lethargic at this time of the year due to the cold weather. They have 16 testicles inside a long, thin scrotum which contracts in the cold causing the body muscles to slow down. You might notice that the LRS re-activates when the inside of your Landrover warms up (LOL) Les. Post Extras: Priglet (Member) 30/11/01 08:11 AM Re: It's official Reply I've heard a rumour that on vehicles imported to Australia the standard spec LRS was not considered dangerous enough so was replaced by Land Rover Australia with the red back LRS and that Tomb Raider vehicles come with a matching pair of Funnel Web LRS. Post Extras: Mike Brown (Member) 30/11/01 08:20 AM Re: It's official Reply quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Les Henson: ...Most LRS become lethargic at this time of the year due to the cold weather. ...You might notice that the LRS re-activates when the inside of your Landrover warms up Les. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Okay, this has gone far enough. I hope that you realise that a SS(seriously sluggish)LRS in your possession leaves you liable under the Health & Safety in Land Rovers at Work & Play Act 1978. Under Section 14B, Page 762, Para 32, line 18, you have a duty to provide a suitable environment for LRS. Furthermore LRS found in vehicles, condemns the vehicles to become sites of Special Scientific Interest. (Quite how the dept. is keeping track of all Land Rovers beats me.) Anyway, if you don't exercise due care to LRS you will be subject to the same penalties as this man: So let this be a warning, now's the time to install that Jemp air heater or Kenlow pre-heater just so we can keep those critters scampering. Post Extras: m j little (Member) 30/11/01 08:30 AM Re: It's official Reply My Lightweight came supplied with several dozen ex Military LRS's which I now find surplus to requirements and would be willing to sell or swop said beasties if anyone has anything interesting to put in exchange,all items considered except Wasps,Bees or any other stinging type monsters! Might be interested in a mouse? WHY? Post Extras: Aardstrider (Member) 30/11/01 08:44 AM Re: It's official Reply OHMIGOD I've been patially responsible for creating this thread. For years to come people will be reading this cojones (gets Spanish dictionary out). It's all your fault Rand what with your oily 110 & talk of exotic L/R parts. Next thing we know, Solihull will be issuing an abject denial, which means it's official. It's alive.....alive Just come back from a lock-in Post Extras: Leslie Henson (Member) 30/11/01 03:30 PM Re: It's official Edit Reply Time Bandit, I have got a small family of 1977 threadworms that have been living in the passenger side footwell for a long time and would like to replace them with Desert Storm Camo spiderlings. I know they prefer Defenders, but I think they will settle in quite nicely if I make a few mods. I was thinking of fitting an original Landrover spider nest with damp/draught accessory. Les. Post Extras: theboy (Member) 30/11/01 05:02 PM Re: It's official Reply Les quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- damp/draught accessory. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Correct me if i am wronge but i thought they were standerd? Boy Post Extras: Exmoor Beast (Member) 30/11/01 06:07 PM Re: It's official Reply Right who started mentioning spiders!! Oh. I'll get my coat... Will Post Extras: Rand Lover (Member) 30/11/01 06:13 PM Re: It's official Reply Post Extras: Bigfoot (Member) 30/11/01 06:15 PM Re: It's official Reply A sticker?? I want one!!! No, two - one for each Land Rover Post Extras: M005 (Member) 30/11/01 06:18 PM Re: It's official Reply If my Sandbag saw that she wouldn't go near the Disco. Where do I get one Random thought - why is it that all Sandbags are arachnophobs ?? Post Extras: Simon_CSK (Member) 30/11/01 06:19 PM Re: It's official Reply quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Stuart Jenkins: My spider lives on the passenger side, but sometimes he has a wander around and drops down on a thread right into my line of vision while I'm driving! I might have to resort to putting him on a lead - does anyone have the part number of the Genuine Parts one? These pattern spider leads are rubbish. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuart was your landy a left hand drive EX MOD that has been converted to RHD? That would explain why the spider is on the left. By converting to RHD it is obvoiusly confused. You should have got the spider converted at the same time as the steering. Post Extras: Rand Lover (Member) 30/11/01 06:56 PM Re: It's official Reply Re: If ppl want a LRS FITTED sticker... 1. email me (in profile) and I will send you a high quality version of the image. Then you can get hold of a sheet of sticky A4 paper to use in you printer. Possibly have it laminated afterwards. 2. As long as demand is not crazy, I may be able to make a few up. But they will be sticky on the back and not laminated. Again email me (in profile) 3.Just right click on the image above, click 'save as' print it and tape it in your wagon. I have just fitted mine, and it looks good. Post Extras: Mylightweight (Member) 30/11/01 07:22 PM Re: It's official Reply I would just like to say that my lightweight(get it) has a regiment of fully trained S.A.S.S (special air-borne spider service) spiders and when you are driving along with the windows open they re-inact the taking of Antirainian embassey, you know crashing in through the windows. You can get a regiment of these spiders from any local Land rover dealer part number :sass100852reg at a cost of £2.50 (bargain) keep you entertained for ages ****** N.B. S.A.S.S spiders are specific to lightweights only I'm affraid Post Extras: sMUDge (Member) 30/11/01 07:32 PM Re: It's official Reply quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Les Henson: Unfortunately, the birth of the Discovery brought about the end of LRS as the interior was too softy/fluffy bunny/warmycosydry for the spiders. Les. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How wrong you are Les, with the Discovery and early 90's came PAS, ("Provided a snarler"), which you may note is a rework of "A Landrover Spider". This was a highly toned, strong & very aggressive spider. They actually cost Landrover a lot of money, when many went haywire, beneath the Discovery dashboards, pushing the dash upwards, the rest as they say is history. Post Extras: Dr Goon (Member) 30/11/01 07:38 PM Re: It's official Reply My 110 CSW started life with the diplomatic service in Cameroon. Would a standard british spec LRS have been fitted before export or would a local tropical spec one be fitted on arrival in Africa? Gordon Post Extras: cols110 (Member) 30/11/01 07:54 PM Re: It's official Reply quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Dr Goon: My 110 CSW started life with the diplomatic service in Cameroon. Would a standard british spec LRS have been fitted before export or would a local tropical spec one be fitted on arrival in Africa? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is an easy one to answer, the 110 CSW(county spider wagon) export models had to be fitted with spiders of a local variaty for imigration reasons, I know for a fact that theres no way australia would allow spiders with foot and mouth into the country. For more information on the spiders fitted to the Cameroon models it maybe worth asking Rob Stewart as he is bound to have all the info on all LRS products. cols110 Post Extras: Smudge It was'nt until the TD 5, that real changes were noticed, when Landrover broke off with SAS (Solihull Arachnid Suppliers), and went for the cheaper German made "Critters". The introduction of the ETC (extra toothed critter) supposed to give better traction, because of it aforementioned extra teeth, and the HDC (head downhill critter) These "Critters", took some of the control away from the driver, which many people were'nt keen on. The "Critters" were not up to the rigours of serious off road driving, and are now mainly found in big towns and cities, which suits them much better. [ 11-30-2001: Message edited by: sMUDge ] Post Extras: Jabber (Member) 30/11/01 07:56 PM Re: It's official Reply Marc, I think the sticker is webtastic! Well done mate, what talent! Post Extras: G r a h a m (Member) 01/12/01 08:42 AM Re: It's official Reply quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by M005: Random thought - why is it that all Sandbags are arachnophobs ?? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's Freudian - they're worried about where the creepy crawlies could crawl! Post Extras: G r a h a m (Member) 01/12/01 08:57 AM Re: It's official Reply Here's a picture of a Genuine Parts Land Rover Spider [ 11-30-2001: Message edited by: G r a h a m ] Post Extras: SG (Member) 30/11/01 09:17 PM Re: It's official Reply You're not looking after it properly. Its already lost 4 legs ( Could be ex military ) Post Extras: G r a h a m (Member) 30/11/01 09:24 PM Re: It's official Reply I know; my Spider has been on its last legs for a while. How much is involved in rebuilding a spider? Could I do it myself or would I have to get it done professionally? (Does anyone know any good independent Land Rover vets near Edinburgh?) Or would I be better to go for a reconditioned spider with a Stage II head? [ 11-30-2001: Message edited by: G r a h a m ] Post Extras: Leslie Henson (Member) 30/11/01 09:48 PM Re: It's official Edit Reply Graham, you might be able to get a clone spider but at the present level of developement, there is a problem with them getting attached to 'other' 4X4's. Smudge, I think you will find that PAS actually stands for Poor Arachnid Substitute. If you have got one, look carefully up it's arse and you will see a microscopic nickel-hydride battery. There was a problem with the circuitry in these little robots which is why they are so aggressive. Post Extras: Land Duck (Member) 30/11/01 10:12 PM Re: It's official Reply Its -15 outside right now - my spiders are in hibernation pending installation of Weberspacher heater. Meanwhile are arctic-bred spiders (ABS) still available? They grip better on the ice encrusted windscreen I believe. Post Extras: Exmoor Beast (Member) 30/11/01 10:42 PM Re: It's official Reply Now stop it, its getting silly now! Will Post Extras: Charles Edwards (Member) 30/11/01 11:00 PM Re: It's official Reply After seeing this discussion it has now dawned on me that the safari cage fitted to my Anniversary Defender is not there to protect me but to provide web mounting points for spiders, should there be 50 in residence as the name suggests or just the standard factory fit item? Charlie Post Extras: Leslie Henson (Member) 01/12/01 12:08 AM Re: It's official Edit Reply If you have 50 spiders, then apart from being very greedy, you could also be charged with overcrowding your Landy. There was a consultation document issued by Landrover in the 80's about the required amount of leg room required for the standard-size LRS. The conclusion was as follows:- SWB = 10 LWB = 15 Defender 90 = 12 Defender 110 = 15 Discovery = 16 Lightweight = 10 (up to 20 LRS's are allowed in a military conflict) Freeloader = (none permitted) Special licences are needed for hybrids and bobtails. Les. Post Extras: Rand Lover (Member) 01/12/01 12:18 AM Re: It's official Reply I heard that the CSW (County Spider Wagon) was specially made to be like a giant spider hot house? and is therefore allowed to home more than the standard amount of LRS? Is this true, or am I being bonkers? [ 11-30-2001: Message edited by: Rand Lover ] Post Extras: Dr Goon (Member) 01/12/01 12:23 AM Re: It's official Reply Just the one LRS in mine as far as I can ascertain..........although it is a bluddy big one Gordon Post Extras: Simon_CSK (Member) 01/12/01 12:53 AM Re: It's official Reply quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by V8 50: After seeing this discussion it has now dawned on me that the safari cage fitted to my Anniversary Defender is not there to protect me but to provide web mounting points for spiders, should there be 50 in residence as the name suggests or just the standard factory fit item? Charlie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be very carefull Charlie. If your insurance finds out about this over loading you may not be covered. Post Extras: jalden (Member) 01/12/01 01:07 AM Re: It's official Reply I am upset now as it appears that my LRS was killed/ confiscated by Immigration and Naturalization when the LR came across the pond. Rover North get them in on occasion but they only get the LHD ones or surplus IH Scout ones that die in LR. Mehetabel has gone all blue and leaky since she lost her spider (oh wait she was that way to begin with . To get back on subject, Rand Lover since you know everything, tell me how to get my Landie to stop leaking (that'll shut him up ) Post Extras: M005 (Member) 01/12/01 01:09 AM Re: It's official Reply quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- tell me how to get my Landie to stop leaking -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thats like asking who is God? Its one of those questions on which the informed (or not) can talk for days on without actually ever offering any tangible solutions. And I agree with you - it will shut him up Post Extras: Jabber (Member) 01/12/01 01:33 AM Re: It's official Reply Brilliant fitted one 4" LRS sticker as a an anti theft device! Just realised a smaller one in a tax disc holder on the windscreen will stop all those 'FLIES' on the motorways. Post Extras: sMUDge (Member) 01/12/01 01:49 AM Re: It's official Reply quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Mehetabel: To get back on subject, Rand Lover since you know everything, tell me how to get my Landie to stop leaking (that'll shut him up ) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I know that, and it's really simple, in principle. Simply turn your Landy inside out Post Extras: Leslie Henson (Member) 01/12/01 02:04 AM Re: It's official Edit Reply Don't forget that when you turn a Landrover inside out, you will need to re-install your LRS. Les. Post Extras: Simon_CSK (Member) 01/12/01 03:01 AM Re: It's official Reply quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Les Henson: Don't forget that when you turn a Landrover inside out, you will need to re-install your LRS. Les. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ahh Les you will need to do a complete rebuild first to re-install it Post Extras: ISLWYN (Member) 01/12/01 03:26 AM Re: It's official Reply John Entwhistle had the right idea. Nice sticker by the way Rand, guess who'll be nicking some sticky labels from work tomorrow, I,d print some off in work, but a 4-colour fiddle is taking the p155. Creepy crawly. [ 11-30-2001: Message edited by: DISCO COL ] Post Extras: rockslider (Member) 01/12/01 05:28 AM Re: It's official Reply I don't know how to break this to you guys,but, having said that the Td5 Disco didn't have a LRS,well,I found it under the wheel arch today whilst washing it.Unfortunately the poor thing was drowned before I could rescue it,and,despite mouth to mouth resuscitation attempts,it passed away at 14.35 hrs.Greenwich Mean Time.The vision of those eight lifeless eyes staring sightlessly at me will haunt me for therest of my days.How can you forgive me for terminating the life of such a rare creature? Post Extras: waldothegreat (Member) 01/12/01 05:58 AM Re: It's official Reply Les. When the Disco was introduced they just produced a heavier duty LRS. Mine lives outside behind the o/s wing mirror. Even a jet wash won't shift him! andih. I thought the whole idea of running a landy was to do your own servicing. So service your own LRS. I do. Post Extras: Leslie Henson (Member) 01/12/01 06:25 AM Re: It's official Edit Reply Rockslider, that was very careless of you. No wonder this creature is on the decline. As a form of punishment, you must beat yourself about the buttocks and 'other' lower bits with a thorny branch. Waldo, it is a well-known fact that in the mild weather, LRS will spend a lot of the time on the wing mirror mostly checking it's make-up and trying to look cool. Les. Post Extras: EdF (Member) 01/12/01 06:37 AM Re: It's official Reply OK, clever clogs, how do you spell axle???? Post Extras: vicky (Member) 01/12/01 07:01 AM Re: It's official Reply quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by sMUDge: They actually cost Landrover a lot of money, when many went haywire, beneath the Discovery dashboards, pushing the dash upwards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So that's what caused it Post Extras: Jabber (Member) 01/12/01 07:10 AM Re: It's official Reply Vicky, really great posting! I have tried to copy on glossy paper but the beasts will not move. I hope I have not killed them. Can you help me? [ 11-30-2001: Message edited by: Jabber ] Post Extras: ISLWYN (Member) 01/12/01 07:20 AM Re: It's official Reply quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by vicky: So that's what caused it -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Them feckers owe me four hundred quid. Post Extras: Des Morgan (Member) 01/12/01 02:49 PM Re: It's official Reply NO, this is not " Pick a Box". I misunderstood the sequence of how to 'tidy up' my post. I must have done an excellent job because it disappeared completely. B@gger! It was the first time I've used all the "bells & whistles", so it's not surprising, seeing there is a lack of instructions in this area. Go on Des, blame everyone else why don't you ? Des. [ 12-02-2001: Message edited by: Des Morgan ] Post Extras: vicky (Member) 01/12/01 03:58 PM Re: It's official Reply quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Jabber: I have tried to copy on glossy paper but the beasts will not move. I hope I have not killed them. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You probably squashed them when they came through the printer Post Extras: rtbarton Great Gifs Vicky - my cat was mesmorised! PS I fitted a cat to my Landy and LRS disappeared overnight. Post Extras: Bigfoot (Member) 01/12/01 06:30 PM Re: It's official Reply vicky strikes again Post Extras: Leslie Henson (Member) 02/12/01 01:21 AM Re: It's official Edit Reply Is that the LRS and the fitting kit there Des? Very hard-to-come-by bits there mate. Les. Post Extras: waldothegreat (Member) 02/12/01 02:38 AM Re: It's official Reply I've just asked the sandbag for a pair of matching LHS and RHS LRS's for Xmas. She wants to know how much they cost and can you buy them at recognised LR discount stores. I've told her I don't need the fitting kit as I'm handy at making those sort of things myself. Can't wait for Xmas day now. Dunno wheather to fit the spotlights first or the LRS's. Post Extras: Jabber (Member) 02/12/01 02:43 AM Re: It's official Reply Pretty obvious, spotlights or you will not see the LRSs. They will probably be attracted to the warmth of the spots anyway. Keep us informed on their breeding times, could get some ready for the next Sodbury! Post Extras: swops. (Member) 02/12/01 03:46 AM Re: It's official Reply my series 2A seems to always have one bee in it thus proving my LRS isn't working or worst the LRS got lost during the great rebuild of 99, how do I refit the LRS. A bloke down at the pub offered me a LRS built in 1996 but a guy at the work said it wouldn't work due to the millennium bug , it would destroy the LRS and then eat it Is this true , hope not because the LRS was offered at £50.00 , is that a fair price? Post Extras: rtbarton (Member) 02/12/01 03:55 AM Re: It's official Reply I bought a LRS from my main dealer, it cost me a leg, and a leg, and a leg, and a leg, and a leg, and a leg, and a leg, and a leg. Post Extras: Bigfoot (Member) 02/12/01 03:58 AM Re: It's official Reply quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Roger Barton: I bought a LRS from my main dealer, it cost me a leg, and a leg, and a leg, and a leg, and a leg, and a leg, and a leg, and a leg. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LOL LOL Post Extras: Leslie Henson (Member) 02/12/01 04:31 AM Re: It's official Edit Reply Had to make the 100th post! Les. Post Extras: Leslie Henson (Member) 02/12/01 04:36 AM Re: It's official Edit Reply You can buy after-market LRS's from places such as Craddocks and Paddocks, but they don't have the oval badge. The S1 club has some original LRS's still in the original packaging, but are only selling them to club members at £45.00 each. Les. Post Extras: Kim H (Member) 02/12/01 05:01 AM Re: It's official Reply Just come back from MOT test and failed because an out of sorts glow worm, near side and the poor condition of the Spider Web Welding Kit,the guy told me that I would be wasting my money getting cheap pattern parts and should go the the genuine Landrover ones Part No B156PP007. When did this come under the MOT test? Is it a new requiement from the EU. Post Extras: andih (Member) 02/12/01 05:02 AM Re: It's official Reply HELP....... my LRS have disapeared from my 110!!!!!!! either some theiving ******* has nicked them (no signs of forced entry) or they have finally broken down...... any ideas on how to check this problem out??? on the other hand my 200tdi disco does have 1 or 2 extra. is it possible to take LRS from defender 300 tdi into disco 200 tdi??? as i know that not all parts are interchangeable. andi Post Extras: m j little (Member) 02/12/01 06:17 AM Re: It's official Reply The weather must be getting colder, I noticed a raiding party of Commando LRS have broken out of my Lightweight and have taken control of a corner of my kitchen beside the radiator. I am expecting a full scale invasion of my kitchen by the main body of LRS in the very near future!! Post Extras: Des Morgan (Member) 02/12/01 06:33 AM Re: It's official Reply quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is that the LRS and the fitting kit there Des? Very hard-to-come-by bits there mate. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No Les, the fitting kit is still hard to come by over here in the Antipodes, but I have put the 'feelers' out for a fitting kit for down under. Does anyone have the P/N for Box, Cricket type? I am assuming the 'Cricket' type is also suitable for LRSpiders, & while being being a little larger are also a lot noisier, something to be aware of in OZ when fitting LRS's. I don't believe I actually joined in this thread, bloody Landies, it's said they'll drive you nuts. Des. Post Extras: ian linford (Member) 02/12/01 06:46 AM Re: It's official Reply beware of the nut that holds the steering wheel !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he/she maybe dangerous Post Extras: meadowrover (Member) 02/12/01 06:47 AM Re: It's official Reply I am having trouble with my LRS's, they have moved outside and into the wing mirrors, The sandbag says I am tight because I won't put the heater on. Could any of you LRS technicians advise me as to whether the lack of heating may be responsible for the migration. I am also rather worried, will they need Anti Freeze. Please reply quickly as a frost is forcast for this evening. Post Extras: Leslie Henson (Member) 02/12/01 08:29 AM Re: It's official Edit Reply Being as tough as the vehicles they live in, your LRS will go temporarily dormant during cold snaps. Once the Landy warms up (LOL) they re-activate and will move about as normal. Les. Post Extras: cols110 (Member) 02/12/01 08:46 AM Re: It's official Reply In OZ the LRS has several variations, on a standard L/R you get the spider, but you have to specify which one, huntsman, red back, funnel web or a harmless plain old daddy long legs, you also have the option of the LRS (land rover scorpian) these are mainly for people in the hotter drier desert type areas, but for people who want their landy with everything you get the LRS extra(land rover snake) great for if you never want your sandbag to travel with you, but can be a bit dangerous depending on the model specified, you usually get the anti-venom with these models as there is nothing worse than being stuck in the middle of know where when it turns on you. cols110 Post Extras: rtbarton (Member) 02/12/01 06:40 PM Re: It's official Reply Colls be careful .... I notice you mention daddy long legs. In the UK at least this is not a genuine LRS. It is sold as such by unscruplous dealers but when you get it home there are only 6 legs and a pair of wings. If you decide to keep it it must fixed with stronger bolts than normal as it is inclined to fly off. Post Extras: Bigfoot (Member) 02/12/01 07:08 PM Re: It's official Reply I can confirm that "daddy long legs" is not a genuine Land Rover part and may invalidate your warranty ! Post Extras: ChrisW (Member) 03/12/01 08:39 AM Re: It's official Reply It is most unadviseable to completely rebuild a LRS ISO (inside out). ISO LRS's are extremely fragile due to their fragile bits being exposed to the elements, and so require part no LRS 0588329 suffix B to protect them. Because the rebuilding is generally unsuccessful, the part is extremely expensive due to low demand and lawyers fees, and comes accompanied with a High Court writ to have your Land Rover forcibly removed from your possession due to 'damage with malicious intent' of said LRS. Post Extras: Alan H (Member) 02/12/01 10:35 PM Re: It's official Reply Thank goodness someone else has external spiders. Mine have large suckers (probably ex-octopus) on their legs as it tends to get a bit draughty on the front bumper and mirrors at ton plus. The scruffy sods inside don't clean up after themselves either. Eat the flies and just spit out the empty cases onto the dashboard. Hardly any room for dust anymore. Like Frankie goes to hollywood in fact, two friggin tribes. Post Extras: Leslie Henson (Member) 03/12/01 02:01 AM Re: It's official Edit Reply I was up on the byeways around Swindon and Devizes today when I noticed that my LRS was missing! I stopped and walked back through the mud and eventually found the poor thing half-drowned and looking very sorry for itself. I called the LRSRS (Landrover spider rescue service) and they flew out to my location in the SERH (spider emergency recovery helicopter). Due to their prompt skillfull medical attention, my LRS is now safe and warm (LOL) again. This is a true story and I am not telling any porkies. Les. Post Extras: rtbarton (Member) 03/12/01 02:28 AM Re: It's official Reply What type of helicopter do the SERH use? Flying pigs? Post Extras: Baldrick (Member) 03/12/01 02:28 AM Re: It's official Reply Jabber- funny you should mention LRS's and anti theft devices, because funnily enough, it has been rumoured that LR are developing a new breed of LRS, which will render satilite tracking devices obsolete. the HAT LRS as its known to the powers that be (homing & anti theft LRS) will detach its self from the vehicle during a forced entry but will remain attached by a single thread. So when you return to find your LR gone, you simply pick up the HAT LRS and follow the thread! They've been having some problems during testing trying to destroy the natural instinct of the LRS to cling to the LR with all its might.the NSPCS have been inundated with calls from depressed LRS who claim they've got squatting rights Post Extras: rockslider (Member) 03/12/01 04:40 AM Re: It's official Reply Roger,the SERH use the old 1957 "Dragonfly" helicopter,as Bolkows' and Ecureils' tend to frighten an already sick creature.However,many of the LRS now belong to the RAC,Rescued Arachnids Collective,so they may be returned to your home address if damaged on the road. Post Extras: sMUDge (Member) 03/12/01 05:18 AM Re: It's official Reply quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Baldrick: you simply pick up the HAT LRS and follow the thread! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- At last a "thread" you can follow, 'cos this ones lost it long ago !! Post Extras: rtbarton (Member) 03/12/01 05:59 AM Re: It's official Reply Rockslider - Thanks for putting me right about the helicopters, for one moment I thought Les was treating a serious subject with frivolity. Post Extras: brucep (Member) 03/12/01 07:25 AM Re: It's official Reply As the 109 is not on the road at the moment, what precautions should I take to protect the factory fitted, optional extra and after market LRS's which have acumulated over the years? Should I temporarily install them in the Range Rover or are Series III LRS's incompatible with Range Rover ones? Post Extras: Des Morgan (Member) 03/12/01 08:59 AM Re: It's official Reply quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- . This is a true story and I am not telling any porkies. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Of course not Les, I for one believe you. I also think the World is flat, Landies don't break down & the Yanks will take Bin liner alive. Des. Post Extras: Leslie Henson Checked my LRS first thing this morning and he seems ok. Gave him a couple of fruit flies for breakfast and he only ate one. The little devil may be trying to 'milk' the attention he's getting. Les. Post Extras: Exmoor Beast (Member) 03/12/01 05:29 PM Re: It's official Reply I am thinking of installing rear steering to my 110 to try and minimise the disturbance to the LRS I have fitted, I think it is a rare Electricity Board Spider and they are a bugger to replace. Has anyone carried out this conversion? Will Post Extras: wettstuff (Member) 03/12/01 05:35 PM Re: It's official Reply Guys, oh dear. A mate of mine was reading this thread and wants to know the details of fitting an LRS into a T@y*t# Hi@ux. Obviously i have advised him that fitting said LRS, will invalidate his warranty on his shinny piece of japanese plastic. Also it would be a very traumatic experience for them. Please help me. I dont want thr RSPCS on my back. Mark Post Extras: Jabber (Member) 03/12/01 06:09 PM Re: It's official Reply GREAT NEWS Since informing the world via the "sticker" that I have LRS fitted it has definitely worked as an effective alarm system. The Disco has not been touched at all - conclusive proof. Also the smaller sticker on the front windscreen has stopped flies committing suicide on my Disco. Total success, any one else noticed these hidden advantages yet. Post Extras: Ian Heppinstall (Member) 03/12/01 07:59 PM Re: It's official Reply Can anyone identify the species of LRS that I have? They seem to be an extremely tough breed, not theese feeble behind mirror/ corner of window types oh no. These are real tough guys. They spin their web on the radiator grill of my Range Rover and catch flies with a relative speed of 70mph plus!!!! For this they have developed an extra special kind of web. The web is strong enough to catch a fly impacting at 70mph plus, yet sufficiently elastic to avoid shredding said fly and sending it into the radiator. They really thrive because of course they can catch many times more flies than a normal LRS, and they also have the benifit of stopping flies from clogging up the rad!!! Post Extras: Leslie Henson (Member) 04/12/01 08:10 AM Re: It's official Edit Reply quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by wettstuff: A mate of mine was reading this thread

typo - .75/10 Don't flatter yourself Nige Les.

I did notice that some wag(s) kept putting them in naughty positions. Not me though - no siree! Les.

Don't put it on hairy/tender bits then m8! Les.