Hybrid_From_Hell

Jon W has just finished fitting PAS to his series, I'll nag him to do a post, but the basiscs were using a 6 bolt Box I gace him, the old Hybrid PAS Pipes, and a bit of fabrication and RR stuff. Going out 4x4ing topday, so will get a good 1st outing ! Nige

SCL the moderator now know as either trinny or suzanna Nige

Steve. Aren't you getting your hobbies muddled up ? This is LR4x4 you on Nige

Ner ner nerner nerrr...........Er thats a manky old bent and twisted bolt isn't it ? Nige

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LANDROVER-HYBRID-OFF...1QQcmdZViewItem Quality just Ooozes out of it doesn't it Even asader is someone bought it Nige

How about a 'Richard' (call me D*ck for short) Head, know one of them...... in 'magazines' already Nige

Its caslled care in the community, you should give more respect, he can't being a complete abnoxious cretin, its in his DNA Apparently he tried to calm down by doing amatuer dramatics, but they equally got fed up with him when he requoted Shakespeare... "..and if I am pricked do I not bleed ? - well actually not so much blled as Oooze a waxoil based preservative which although I have no COS sheets for ...................................................." CUT Nige

Cheers Nick, blood pressure time, saw this too, reminded me of my e-mail to the editor of Land Rover Excuse of a magazine you mean this post : I wasted £3.65 today I feel, ............................on the August Issue of LRE. I sat on a train, and after 12 mins I had "Read it" (or read anything vaguely of interest.....) I sat on the train, and then had an idea.... I did an analysis of the whole magazine, Jeeeez, the number of pages of adds ! Anyway, I was so seriously fed up with this I have just sent this off to James Taylor Editor of LRE on the basis that if we / I / readers don't say whats wrong, then they will sit there slapping themselves on the backs thinking its a great "Job Done" So, Do you reckon I'll get any reply ? here's what I sent, ............... and yes I was reaaly hacked off as to just how C54p it was...... Dear Mr Taylor, LRE Magazine ……………..Do you think its value for Money ?…………… REALLY ?…………….. I stopped my subscription a while back, and today I bought a copy as I was going to be on a train for a good long while…………..thought it may have improved ?....... Nope, its got worse............... Time actually spent reading it …. ?….about 12 mins……..longer to do this Analysis : (each line is a page) August 2005 £3.65 Nothing of real interest, .................... lots of average articles............... .........just “padded†out to take up space ?......... 220 pages, (inc front & Rear Cover) 1.(Front Cover) – uninspiring photo – is that the best you can do .............for a COVER Shot ? 2.Advert 3.Advert 4 Contents Pages 5 (also page 5) Padding started ? 6 Who’s Who…. 7 Boring editorial… 8 Advert 9 Advert 10 Rather ‘Average LR’ article ….6 Pages !!!!!!!!! 11 As above 12 As above 13 As above 14 As above 15 As above 16 Advert 17 Advert 18 Advert 19 Advert 20 Advert 21 Advert 22 News & Info – Boring and Padding ? 23 News & Info – as above ? 24 Advert 25 Advert 26 Green Oval – Yawn 27 as above same 2 pages touch more padding ? 28 Advert 29 Advert 30 Reader Feedback – Yawn again….2 pages 31 2nd page – still yawning…. 32 Web Watch ? – is that the best you can extract ? 333 Advert 34 Advert 35 Advert 36 5 Page article on Discos (boring) 37 page 2 38 page 3 39 page 4 40 Page 5 – really simple surface stuff…… 41 Advert 42 Advert 43 On the wrong track ? 3 pages 44 boring 45 nothing worth reading 46 Advert 47 Advert 48 Advert 49 Roverphile – 5 pages of padding 50 page 2 51 page 3 52 page 4 53 Page 5 54 Advert 55 Advert 56 Advert 57 Advert 58 Advert 59 Advert 60 Advert 61 Advert 62 Advert 63 Advert 64 Advert 65 Advert 66 Advert 67 Advert 68 Driving the future 5 pages 69 but it all been done before 70 many times 71 and better 72 …..5th page of it…. 73 Advert 74 Advert 75 Advert 76 Punishing Quarry…4 pages 77 Interesting 78 but very surfacey 79 could be done much better 6/10 80 Advert 81 Advert 82 Advert 83 Advert 84 Advert 85 Advert 86 Advert 87 Advert 88 Dodgy Motor 4 pages 89 interesting 90 but a lot of 91 padding ? 92 Advert 93 Advert 94 Advert 95 Advert 96 Advert 97 Advert 98 Advert 99 Advert 100 Advert 101 Advert 102 Advert 103 Advert 104 Advert 105 Advert 106 Advert 107 Advert 108 Home workshop 4 pages 109 boring 110 read a Haynes 111 manual for this………. 112 Advert 113 Advert 114. Advert 115. Advert 116 2 PAGES !!!! on how to 117. replace a track rod ? – Jeeeez 118. Advert 119. Advert 120. 3 pages on replacing a steering box 121. use a Haynes manual 122. Jeeeeeeeeeeez again – hopeless 123. Advert 124. Advert 125. Advert 126. Advert 127. Advert 128. Home workshop again 129. 2 Pages – hardly riveting stuff 130. Advert 131. Advert 132. Advert 133. Advert 134. shock article 135. 2 pages about a LR that had wrong shocks fitted ????? 136. Advert 137. Advert 138. Advert 139 Advert 140. Advert 141. Advert 142. Advert 143. Barker View – Fair but nothing riveting 144. Club & Motorsport news… 145. Padded to make 2 pages 146. Advert 147. Advert 148. Advert 149. Advert 150. Clubs – 2 Pages ? 151. Padded again…. 152. Advert 153. Advert 154. Advert 155. Advert 156. Running Reports ? 157. 5 158. rather 159. boring 160. pages 161. Advert 162. Advert 163. Advert 164. Advert 165. Advert 166. Big Blue Meanie…. 167. 4 pages 168. nothing to 169. interesting really ? 170. Advert 171. Advert 172. Advert 173. Advert 174. Advert 175. Advert 176. Tooled Up 177. 4 pages from the ark 178. it would be ok 179. but there's nothing really good so far… 180. Advert 181. Advert 182. Advert 183. Advert 184. The lost tiger trial 5 pages 185. its 186. ok 187. but 188. standard stuff…………………. 189. Advert 190. Advert 191. Advert 192. Bi centennial LRs 193. just plain dull……… 194. Advert 195. Advert 196. Advert 197. Advert 198. Advert 199. Advert 200. Advert 201. Advert 202. Advert 203. Advert 204. Heritage 205. 2 pages on old brochures…..wow 206. Advert 207. Advert 208. Advert 209. Advert 210. Advert 211. Advert 212. Advert 213. Advert 214. Advert 215. Advert 216. Advert 217. Index (advert really) or just plain padding……….. 218. Hodder way ….its ok, but hardly worth the time to read… 219. Advert 220. Back page … Advert This really is awful..... pages and pages of Adverts, and the few articles in there are just plain boring, ...but I WANT TO BUY MAGAZINES TO READ LEARN AND BE IMPRESSED AND ENTERTAINED BY.... Take a look at the USA Magazines, run by enthusiasts for enthusiasts, ................ loads of detail, technical info, specials, modifications, upgrades (that doesn't mean bolting on a "Goodie"), and articles that take ages to read because they are well written, about interesting subjects that you just do not see elsewhere.... If you wonder why your sales are low or falling, perhaps the above lack of effort or "freshness" might just show why, .....this magazine is going to be bought by a new owner for a short time or a individual thinking about buying...not long term die hard enthusiasts who will take out subs and rush to get there copy of LRE to see what exciting innovative and interesting articles there are in it............ I will be very very careful about wasting my money on LRE again, ...............I'll see 1st if there is anything work buying it for.............. I don't expect to get a reply to this e-mail, as you will probably just laugh and bin it................. and I did get a reply, and I did offer the 90 as they were interested in an article, which I then told them to (as they had closed LRE Forum) that, in my opinion the best thing they could do was ** **** ********* and **** ** **************** *** ****** tonsil ******* ***** *** ***** **** ** gerbil on stilts. Kin junk UK 4x4 mags Nige

FWIW ? This guy is well known and respected in the 4x4 world of all things military, and you obviously think he's the man for the job sop Yeah grab him back.. I mean F christs sake, ...nobody else wants such a thankless task, ......congrats for conning him, ...sorry "outlining the benefits to him" ... Nige

er, Does me having a view of not really giving a damn, or indeed being in the least bit interested have any bearing ? Nige

PMSL Bathtub, ...Andy.... thanks for helping me laugh at what was otherwsie a fairly S*ite day Nige

..................... Clammmm down ? Bit Crabby aren't we Steve, O yster it up a bit if I were you Nige Coat already ?...Jeeez I wear the damned thing out at this rate

...My "mate" that is Ssssssssssssssssssh Les, he might hear you.... Nige

Right now there is not really one decent LR Mag. They are all too full of adverts and resemble yellow pages. They all do they same thing (just look at how they all have the same artlcle / RR sport) at the same time. The tech artcles are a joke, and they are what a mate of mione calls "dentist waiting room fodder" In my loft I have some old mags from the 80s 4x4 and Off Raod action....and boy they are / were good ! Off Road Motorsport came out as a tabloid, then got swallowed up. I guess the problem is having enough to differentiate yourself from the other mags, .....not difficult to do, but much harder work than LR* saying " : "And here is a 5 page article where we show you will pictures how to fit a set of mudlaps and pad out adverts so it looks like there is an article of 4 here - shame they are all absolute Cr^p" type of mag... Advertising does bring in revenue to cover costs, but in the end without artcles the number bought drop as there are no hard core subscribers, and then the advertisers wane, if you have heavy circulation figures, you can have less advertisers and charge more.....it a sales cycle... ALL od the US mags are run by enthusiasts, big time technical mods and articles, UK ?...many "Prof Journos" Nuff said....some are beginning to move away from the mass balndness occasionally, but hey go for it ! Nige

Excellent news, ....really really well done to all concerned. Perhaps now we can finally relax and put the last few (very unpleasant) weeks behind us all . We now know we have stability, No more worries or wondering "whos going to do what next to whom" nonsense..... and talk LRs ...and it has developed quickly to a great forum, ...and very quickly too... .... What plans are there to get it onto search engines / members and other web sites and other links to advertise its here... so it continues to grow and flourish ? ? Nige PS Donation also sent

Well deserved Ralph. Nige

"Touch Touched" I think you mean Nige

Yeah, This was horrendous... I arrived a the carnage to find a melted motor on one winch and a damaged 8274, they couldn't shift it, it had crashed into the bank crossing the ravine front and rear embedded, I was asked to "Get it out and NOW..please nige " I shoved the winch on it, with 6x LRs and RRs tied to me and a ground anchor...it came out in bits, tore off the front winch with "Recovery (chocolate) mountings : so having pulled off the front bumper assembly and the winch cradle (held on with studding), we pilled the bits on the bank, I was asked to "Bring it out in bigger bits Nige"...but, it WAS moving, just kept tearing lumps off it ! The passenger chassis leg cracked...so moved to drivers leg knew it could cause probs...... : but this pulled it the wrong way, but it moved, mate then shoved another winch cable on and I wrapped strop around axle : he'd been in nearly 2 hours and in fairness apart from cacking himself was immensely appreacative of being out... TYhe old Hydraulic W has a bit of pulling power..... ...quite a few thought that after 2x winches earlier failed to move it how was 1x winch going to do it..... had a few people peering at it after the RR was recovered, some even asked me "what sort of Electric winch have you got theremate " So, on a serious note to everyone, please do us Marshals a favour, have you got REALLY GOOD FRONT AND REAR recovery points, with HD bolts, spreader plates and siutable to be SERIOUSLY recovered ?.... Without these any recovery becomes so much more difficult for us, and dangerous for us, you and spectators, sorry to hapr but its one of my pet bug bears !.... PLEASE think and look, ask if your unsure SCL has done a post on this very subject...PLEASE Pant Pant Ok nurse ...sorry I'll be a good boy and ranting stop now No, seriously ple.........argh gerrof................................................. Nige

Ah yes...thanks Nige

Er Jeeez 2 neurophen later, heres the 'HFH Simpletons' version special 'equation' for winch pulling..... Take one " 'E' thats F BIG".... Big Snatch Block that is mate .... a la : Them take a HUGE Winch where people say " 'M' mmmmm'...... thats big... winch that is....." Attach Winch to 'Muppet'..... 'C 'here for example ....and pull making sure the winch is 'square' to the recovery........... and this folks proves "E = MC Squared" I'll get me coat... Nige

Sigh............you've completely shattered my vision of you now......... Sigh......... wot, shattered twice ? Nige

Les, MOTs are all to do with structural strength. Most MOT stations will look at a mod and then the condition of the metal, if the metal of the chassis is solid, and it looks strong then ok. If it looks as thought the structural integrity has been severaley compromised then is a fail, as is holes. IMHO sensible mods with good welds and metal won't cause a prob as the prev photo amply demonstrates ! Nige

Ditto, Moved here, nice atmos, need to support all the work done by the guys on our behalf when LRE "Closed" and everyone who matters seems to be here too. Nige

Very nice work, very useful saved to favs for future use / reading matter ! Nige

and now show us photo 5 secs after moving was it shortly after like this : Nige