HVO Fuel

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2 hours ago, max gray said:

HVO is different from SVO 1st gen biofuel is different........The Question is about HVO

 

If they run on SVO, then I would think HVO would be fine...? So the references to SVO still probably answer the original question?

[max gray]

(The date of this  is Tuesday 1st February 2022)

Right I have spoken to specialists at crown oil who have sent me through alot of info . In the conversation I had with him this is what was said:

on Eco grounds All HVO is produced abroard. They are the importers of HVO from "Neste"  a  huge company in Finland where they sell HVO at petrol stations  as a straight alternative to deisel for the last 17 odd years.thay have fully traceable product and garentee no palm oil or nastys added to their product and you can trace it from source. It is good even quality all the time.

HVO has a Nett 91.3 % Co2 Reduction garenteed.

It has a shelf life of 10 years

It has a -32 degree tolerence unlike Bio fuel

it is 100% FAME free so really nothing like bio fuel. No pereshing of valves rubbers etc.

there are aparently 5 improters of HVO all of them bar one are selling Hvo for £1.67 to £1.68 plus VAT per litre with the exception of one importer who is selling it for £0.85p per litre (Watson oil is one of the distributers)

distributers will only deliver to you 1000 ltrs min (you could buy a 1 meter cubed water container and have that filled )

It is a direct fuel replacement and ive been told it can be mixed with diesel if you need to. Most manufactures of modern cars will have had their cars run on this in countries that sell it so it will be possible to contact them for confirmation that this product will work in their engine. Im waiting for land rover to get back to me ( i have 300tdis and td5s on my farm).

the government tax point is the same on HVO 11.5% tax for red (agri) and 57.95% for white HVO.

it is not currently subsidised for road use but this may change if gov ralise this is a quick way for them to meet Eco credentials. if a company produces  HVO in the uk it would be a game changer.

If i get a response from you ill put up the bumph I received from the HVO specialist. 

hope this helps?

 

[Daan]

6 hours ago, max gray said:

(The date of this  is Tuesday 1st February 2022)

Right I have spoken to specialists at crown oil who have sent me through alot of info . In the conversation I had with him this is what was said:

on Eco grounds All HVO is produced abroard. They are the importers of HVO from "Neste"  a  huge company in Finland where they sell HVO at petrol stations  as a straight alternative to deisel for the last 17 odd years.thay have fully traceable product and garentee no palm oil or nastys added to their product and you can trace it from source. It is good even quality all the time.

HVO has a Nett 91.3 % Co2 Reduction garenteed.

It has a shelf life of 10 years

It has a -32 degree tolerence unlike Bio fuel

it is 100% FAME free so really nothing like bio fuel. No pereshing of valves rubbers etc.

there are aparently 5 improters of HVO all of them bar one are selling Hvo for £1.67 to £1.68 plus VAT per litre with the exception of one importer who is selling it for £0.85p per litre (Watson oil is one of the distributers)

distributers will only deliver to you 1000 ltrs min (you could buy a 1 meter cubed water container and have that filled )

It is a direct fuel replacement and ive been told it can be mixed with diesel if you need to. Most manufactures of modern cars will have had their cars run on this in countries that sell it so it will be possible to contact them for confirmation that this product will work in their engine. Im waiting for land rover to get back to me ( i have 300tdis and td5s on my farm).

the government tax point is the same on HVO 11.5% tax for red (agri) and 57.95% for white HVO.

it is not currently subsidised for road use but this may change if gov ralise this is a quick way for them to meet Eco credentials. if a company produces  HVO in the uk it would be a game changer.

If i get a response from you ill put up the bumph I received from the HVO specialist. 

hope this helps?

 

That is very interesting, an instant 91.3 percent Co2 reduction; short term that has to be the way forward.

Out of interest, how long have you been waiting of land rover to give you an answer? Could be the bottleneck....

Daan

[Nonimouse]

One of the issues with any form of fuel derived from arable crops grown in the UK is the inefficency of the growing process. Last time I looked it's 16kgs of energy to grow 1 kg of food energy

I regularly run my 200tdi on Rapeseed oil - in the summer every third tank. We have a press and screens down at the farm. The screens are actually from a Biodiesel manufacturing unit, that was sitting, doing nothing

The whole rapeseed idea has now been put into question, because my partner in crime is no longer running OM617 engines in his G wagens - the OM606, 636 and 605 will not run well on veg oil.

[Daan]

Looks like crown has approval of several manufacturers:

https://www.crownoil.co.uk/products/hvo-fuel-hydrotreated-vegetable-oil/?utm_keyword=bio diesel&SearchNetwork&matchtype=p&creative=&target=&placement=&device=c&adtype[adtype]adposition=&campaignid=298059443&adgroupid=1294125313175263&geo=162591&msclkid=b752389134b312cd3bd55968bd8044da&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Search - Diesel&utm_term=bio diesel&utm_content=Diesel - HVO

It is encouraging there is a short term solution available, if this became mainstream, it would substantially reduce co2 reduction in an instant.

Daan

[David Sparkes]

Surely it still doesn't answer the objection that creating plant based fuel means decreasing the area that can be used for food production?

Or is anyone saying the the plants for fuel creation can grow, and be harvested from, land that cannot economically be used for growing food crops?

I see this statement in the Crown literature, but don't actually understand it.

The feedstocks used to manufacture Crown HVO are 100% waste, drawn from primary sources which have bypassed damage to the environment, natural ecosystem and the drive for global deforestation.

If HVO use increases, surely it needs more source materials?
Are we expected to believe there is so much waste 'now' that the '100%' claim will continue to be valid?

Regards.

[jeremy996]

I'd guess that from an energy standpoint/ghost acres view it will be much the same as the waste vegetable oil I put in my 200Tdi, it's not displacing food crops but using up a waste product.

(But a big increase in usage will distort market forces and trash the non-food credentials). 

As for the overall green claims, I'm still sceptical; the CO2 reduction seems highly unlikely as all westernised crops have significant fossil fuel energy inputs from cultivation, fertiliser, harvesting, processing and transport. I like to see someone audit their methodology.

Presently self-produced Biodiesel and WVO have a 2500l concession from HMRC as road fuel, presumably bulk HVO does not?

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/excise-notice-179e-biofuels-and-other-fuel-substitutes/excise-notice-179e-biofuels-and-other-fuel-substitutes#exempt-producers-users

As I am not the "Exempt producer", the supplier is probably liable for Road Fuel Duty.