Jon White Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 At sodbury i'm looking for an intermittant wipe module from a defender casue I want to put intermittant wipers on my truck! I've found the part number, all the wiring etc etc, but the trouble is I've got no idea what the damn thing actually looks like! Can anyone help?? I'm guessing its a sort of relay shaped thing that probably sits in the defender fuse box next to the flasher units etc. Can anyone either post a picture or describe it for me please? Thanks in advance! Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Red relay approx 1.5 inches high mounts in the fuse box on a 90 I got one there earlier this year for £2, it is the only red one in the fuse box BTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted October 20, 2005 Author Share Posted October 20, 2005 Ah.......its red!! That'l make it easier to find! Cheers Tony! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minivin Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Ah.......its red!! That'l make it easier to find! Cheers Tony! 5. Windscreen wiper timer. Switches on every 5 seconds. Ref:GLR8. £8.44 good ol vehicle wiring products Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted October 20, 2005 Author Share Posted October 20, 2005 Yeah but I'm after a 90 one - using 90 switchgear, and a 90 wiper motor, if I use the 90 timer unit then I can just wire it up per the 90 wiring diagram - simple! If I cant find one at sodbury then I'll think about the vwp one. Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minivin Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Yeah but I'm after a 90 one - using 90 switchgear, and a 90 wiper motor, if I use the 90 timer unit then I can just wire it up per the 90 wiring diagram - simple!If I cant find one at sodbury then I'll think about the vwp one. Jon would think the component is a standard package with standardised pin allocations, Land Rover or BL wouldn't have commissioned Lucas or made themselves a different item. Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Yeah but I'm after a 90 one - using 90 switchgear, and a 90 wiper motor, if I use the 90 timer unit then I can just wire it up per the 90 wiring diagram - simple!If I cant find one at sodbury then I'll think about the vwp one. Jon Jon I've got a spare relay I'd be willing to sell for a nominal sum, also see the thread in the Tech Archive ref retro fitting to older 90/110. LR part numbers included http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=927 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 would think the component is a standard package with standardised pin allocations, Land Rover or BL wouldn't have commissioned Lucas or made themselves a different item. Rob - you're new to LR wiring aren't ya Jon - have a good look at red relays, some will be what you're after but it's not unknown to have relays, lights-on warning buzzers, heated screen timers, glow plug timers, and missing ECU components housed in little red "relays". Should mention wipers on it somewhere or at least have "timer" or a symbol of a wiper on it... then again, knowing LR maybe not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minivin Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 Rob - you're new to LR wiring aren't ya LR yes, but Messr Wipac, Messr Miller and Messr Lucas, 8 years of experience and climbing, so many parts commonal between different manufacturers and even types of vehicle (bikes, cars et cetera), Lucas metal brake light switch being a good one from the 60's where they swapped the internals around after removing a rivet pin to change it from N/C too N/O, same package and parts, different number stamped on it. Even the top of the range vehicle manufacturers brought the common stuff from Lucas et cetera as it kept their costs down (Lucas F700 BPF head Lamps, standard D-type dynamos, standard regulator packages, it goes on). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull Bar Cowboy Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 Jon - have a good look at red relays, some will be what you're after but it's not unknown to have relays, lights-on warning buzzers, heated screen timers, glow plug timers, and missing ECU components housed in little red "relays". Should mention wipers on it somewhere or at least have "timer" or a symbol of a wiper on it... then again, knowing LR maybe not Then there are the other items that are packaged the same as a standard relay & coloured red ...but are not a relay........ like the Flapper system diode pack Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted October 21, 2005 Author Share Posted October 21, 2005 Hmmmmm thats a good point - however am i correct in assuming the timer unit has 6 contacts (per the wiring diagram)? Ralph are you going to sodbury?? Cheers Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 Hmmmmm thats a good point - however am i correct in assuming the timer unit has 6 contacts (per the wiring diagram)? Ralph are you going to sodbury?? Cheers Jon No I'm not, but I can post it, Yep 6 spade terminals and it looks like this Front face terminals layout hope that helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted October 21, 2005 Author Share Posted October 21, 2005 Thanks - that helps alot! It turns out AMR2431 is the LR part number - so it even has the LR part number stamped on it! Tell you what - if i dont find one tomorrow I'll give you a shout about post etc etc. Thanks for the info either way! Cheers Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 OK Jon it's a spare so will be here if you don't find one, happy hunting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROGUE TROOPER Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 I found one and bought it....got it home and it was knacked...... but I got a PCR6864 which is a RRC relay and its the same!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 I found one and bought it....got it home and it was knacked...... butI got a PCR6864 which is a RRC relay and its the same!! Yep, that'll be the earleir version for RRC & Disco 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted October 22, 2005 Author Share Posted October 22, 2005 Well I picked one up for 50p - lets just hope it works! Only problem I've got now is which terminal is which? The defender wiring diagram I've got hows me how to wire it and numbers the terminals 1-6 - trouble is theres no indication on the unit which pin is which! Can anyone help?? thanks Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 Well I picked one up for 50p - lets just hope it works!Only problem I've got now is which terminal is which? The defender wiring diagram I've got hows me how to wire it and numbers the terminals 1-6 - trouble is theres no indication on the unit which pin is which! Can anyone help?? thanks Jon Thought you said you had the correct harness, if so the relay unit will only fit in one position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted October 22, 2005 Author Share Posted October 22, 2005 Nope - far from it! I've put PAS onto my series using 90 bits, including the column etc. Therefore decided to fit the 90 switchgear aswell. I've now aquired (thanks to Tonk) a 2 speed wiper motor, and also the timer relay thingy. I've got the 90 wiring diagram so was simply going to make my own loom to wire it all up using that as a guide. Trouble is I'd kind of assumed the pins would be marked 49a, 49b etc etc like normal relays are! Some hope eh? The wiring diagram I've got shows contacts marked 1 to 6 for this unit but gives no clue which pin is which on the actual unit! I dont really want to go buy the proper loom as it'll need so much hacking about to suit my series its not worth it! Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROGUE TROOPER Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 You had the same thought as me as each terminal is not marked!! Now I need the harness!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted October 22, 2005 Author Share Posted October 22, 2005 That or can anyone tell us what colour wire goes to what pin the photo Ralph has posted above, as I can work it out from there using the wiring diagram! I did look to see if I could find the unit with the socket and a bit of wiring attached but no such luck! Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 Found some old info I have ref terminal idents. this should help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted October 23, 2005 Author Share Posted October 23, 2005 Hmmmm that helps alot thanks Ralph, however the numbers dont tie up to my wiring diagram!! Sigh......... I'm guessing these are standard circuit numbers used on car wiring - I know that 31 is earth for example. Anyone know what the others are? I've done a quick google and these look like standard wiper circuit terminal numbers - I've found similar for a Jeep CJ, but alas no indication which terminal goes to which circuit..... Thanks Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 The terminal ident numbers came from simonb when I bought one of his early rear wiper intermittent relay kits, he mods the front relay to extend the delay time from 3 secs to 35/40 secs for the rear wiper. this wiring extract from my workshop manual wiring diagram for Defender 1991 on items 83 is the intermittent relay ------ 97 is the front wash/wipe switch ------ 98 is the front wiper motor ------ 100 goes to the rear wash pump ------ 101 goes to front wash pump the pin locations on item 83 can be seen so it should help you with building a harness/connections Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted October 23, 2005 Author Share Posted October 23, 2005 Thankyou!!! My factory manual doesnt show me that! It just shows it as a black box! Right so it looks like:- 31 - black (earth) 31R - NLG (Brown light green) to wiper motor 15 - G (Green) switched ignition +ve 53C - LGB (Light gren Brown) Tee into washer pump feed 53E - YLG (Yellow light green) connects up to the same on the switchgear I - WG (White green) connects up to the same on the switchgear Sorted..........that ties up with all the wiring colours on all the components I've got and ties up with the wiring diagram I've got! Lets hope it works....... Got a bit of wiring to sort out now! Many thanks for all your help Ralph! Cheers Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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