tobes Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I am looking at buying a discovery, its far enough away from me that I would like to take cash with me to (hopefully) buy it and take it there and then. Its MOTed but not taxed.... Am I legally allowed to drive it home if i have the new keeper section of the V5 and other documents? My only day off is sunday so going straight to a post office isnt an option. I have tried a quick google but it hasnt really helped! I dont have a trailer either, any other options for getting it home? many thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 NO, must be taxed/MOT'd & Insured in your name. if you get pulled by police after a ANPR check you are most likely to be reported for no current tax & the system will know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 It is not legal tp drive without tax unless you are on the way to a pre-arranged MOT test or to have work done for such test. If you drive it and then pay the tax from the beginning of the month you will probably get away with it as long as you do not get stopped on the day - you may well pass cameras that will record you driving it without tax. You need to borrow a trailer or wait till Monday and get it taxed. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul D Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Hi, Im pretty sure if you were to get stopping in the vechile without tax by the police you would be fined for no tax. Do you know of any one with trade plates as they can drive the vechile back for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 The feds can't bust you because it's an excise offence. They can give you a producer but that's about it. If you do get stopped and they do decide to be arsey and put your details in the new computer thingy they've got it links straight to the DVLA database, then you've got a BIG fine coming your way. You could tow it on an A-frame with the props disconnected from the axles, although technically the vehicle has to be taxed, but we've done it loads and the feds normally have better things to do when you're doing your best to comply. Incidentally, technically a Recovery truck can't do it if it's not taxed because it's goods, not a vehicle. Similarly, lots of folks ignore that rule too! Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 but the ANPR system automatically checks reg number/tax/insurance/mot validity, the 'feds' don't have to put any data in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobes Posted January 9, 2009 Author Share Posted January 9, 2009 Thanks guys There are plenty of ANPR cameras along the way, I just wanted to know the legality of it, its not something I am prepared to take the risk on. I ll have to have a re-think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-conversions Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I am looking at buying a discovery, its far enough away from me that I would like to take cash with me to (hopefully) buy it and take it there and then. Its MOTed but not taxed.... Am I legally allowed to drive it home if i have the new keeper section of the V5 and other documents? My only day off is sunday so going straight to a post office isnt an option. I have tried a quick google but it hasnt really helped! I dont have a trailer either, any other options for getting it home? many thanks As already stated you can't legally drive it home, but if its Mot'd & your are insured to drive it I'd probably risk it & tax it the next day. I think you'll only be liable for a small fine if stopped, if at all as you would have the v5 showing that its just been purchased. You would have to get an arse of a copper to give you a ticket for that. But it is a risk so better avoided if possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landmannnn Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 If you have access to the internet where you pick the car up you could insure and tax it on the spot, then drive it home legally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Take a trailer or leave a deposit and get it sorted before you pay the balance and collect the vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobes Posted January 9, 2009 Author Share Posted January 9, 2009 trade plates could be an option. The seller has cancelled his insurance so is unable to tax it himself. The safest option is that i'll have to take two trips..... trailer costs Vs train ticket and a weeks wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 If you have access to the internet where you pick the car up you could insure and tax it on the spot, then drive it home legally. but failing to display a current tax disc is illegal too, so it's possible to be done for not displaying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-conversions Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 The feds can't bust you because it's an excise offence. They can give you a producer but that's about it.If you do get stopped and they do decide to be arsey and put your details in the new computer thingy they've got it links straight to the DVLA database, then you've got a BIG fine coming your way. You could tow it on an A-frame with the props disconnected from the axles, although technically the vehicle has to be taxed, but we've done it loads and the feds normally have better things to do when you're doing your best to comply. Incidentally, technically a Recovery truck can't do it if it's not taxed because it's goods, not a vehicle. Similarly, lots of folks ignore that rule too! Good luck. A-Frames aren't the answer in my opinion, they aren't legal to collect a vehicle thats over 750kg's unless braked. Even if braked are they legal? Plus towing with them is a little tricky if the tow vehicle isn't substantially heavier, I'd hate to have to tow a Disco any great distance with one. Twisty country roads would be painfully slow & scarey. Much more of a risk than driving a vehicle without tax for the day in my opinion. If you are involved in an accident & you are towing with an A-Frame your in loads of trouble, your insurance probably wouldn't pay out, especially if your at fault. Using a Land-Rover to tow another heavy vehicle isn't idea, I've had my range rover is a slide on a wet roundabout at a rediculously low speed towing a shogun for a mate, 1st time I'd used a A-frame & I'll never use one again if possible. Opposite lock going sideways around a roundabout at around 20mph is a strange & worrying moment with 2 tons pushing you along! Fun in a Lotus Elise or similar but not quite the same in a big 4x4. A trailer is the best method. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 but the ANPR system automatically checks reg number/tax/insurance/mot validity, the 'feds' don't have to put any data in. What's the ANPR then Ralph? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-conversions Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 but failing to display a current tax disc is illegal too, so it's possible to be done for not displaying. Yes, they think of all kinds of things to get money from us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderman Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Even though it has a current MOT , there is no law against you having it done again , so book it in to your local MOT test centre , Then when you pick up the new car you can drive it straight there and get a fresh ticket on it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-conversions Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 trade plates could be an option. The seller has cancelled his insurance so is unable to tax it himself.The safest option is that i'll have to take two trips..... trailer costs Vs train ticket and a weeks wait Trade plate are a great option if available to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathan Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 What's the ANPR then Ralph? Automatic Number Plate Recognition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 What's the ANPR then Ralph? Automatic NumberPlate Recognition. Most/all traffic police cars have it as well as cams on poles and bridges. Once read they check you have tax, MOT and that the car is insured as well as checking other warnings on the car. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-conversions Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Even though it has a current MOT , there is no law against you having it done again , so book it in to your local MOT test centre , Then when you pick up the new car you can drive it straight there and get a fresh ticket on it . I've done that in the past to collect a car (or 2) but I don't know if you can get away with it if the vehicle already has an MOT. Plus I never had to put it to the test, I think its bending the rules a little bit! When your 200miles from home & the copper asks why you don't have a valid MOT cert. or tax saying your on your way to your local MOT test centre would be comical & legal by all acounts if its a pre-booked test. It would be an interesting chat i'm sure! I couldn't advise anyone to do this sort of thing though as you could be driving a potentially unsafe vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I think you'll only be liable for a small fine if stopped Bearing in mind if the tax is out it should be on a SORN anyway, this is on the DVLA site itself; What will happen If you don’t tax or SORN your vehicle you could be stopped by the police. You’ll get an automatic penalty of £80, as well as paying for a new tax disc and any arrears of vehicle tax you owe. You could also get a County Court Judgement against you, and be fined a minimum of £1000. The maximum penalty for making a false declaration by declaring SORN when the vehicle is actually used or kept on a public road is £5000 and two years imprisonment. Your vehicle could be clamped by one of DVLA's wheelclamping partners. You’ll need to pay to have your vehicle released as well as producing a valid tax disc or a surety fee if no disc is available. If you fail to pay, your vehicle will be impounded, incurring storage charges. If you don’t pay the release or storage fees, your vehicle could be crushed or sold. Slightly more than a small fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Humphreys Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Also where does MOTs on a sunday?? Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrfarmer Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 trade plates could be an option. The seller has cancelled his insurance so is unable to tax it himself.The safest option is that i'll have to take two trips..... trailer costs Vs train ticket and a weeks wait if you insure it could the old owner tax it then and pay him the extra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-conversions Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Also where does MOTs on a sunday??Paul You'd just be a bit early for your MOT. Not the offical way to do thinks so not adviseable these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 What's the ANPR then Ralph? Automatic Number Pate Recognition borrowed from Thames Valley Police website via Google Automatic Number Plate Recognition - an effective policing tool to Deny Criminals the Use of the Roads Most criminals rely on vehicles to commit crime. Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) is a tool designed to make it far more difficult for them to use vehicles without being detected. As a vehicle passes through an ANPR camera, it takes an image of the number plate. Those details are then fed into a system which checks them against sources such as the Police National Computer (PNC), Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA), Local Force Intelligence systems and motor insurers databases. If the number plate is matched to one of the sources, the ANPR equipment will sound an alert. Vehicles which have sounded an alert will then be stopped by intercept team officers for further investigation. Only vehicles that are highlighted by enforcement agency databases will be stopped, so no law-abiding citizen has anything to fear from ANPR operations. Unlicensed or uninsured vehicles are likely to be seized on the spot by ANPR equipped officers. ANPR can be used to gather intelligence on known criminals or for post-incident crime investigation as well as for running pro-active operations using dedicated intercept teams. ANPR cameras are located in mobile units (vans), in Roads Policing patrol cars, at dedicated fixed sites and via Closed Circuit Television (CCTV) schemes in urban areas. ANPR cameras are NOT ‘safety’ cameras, so are not used in Thames Valley to catch speeding or otherwise law-abiding motorists. Nor are they used to generate revenue for the government or other agency. The use of ANPR by Thames Valley Police fully complies with the Data Protection Act 1998 and the Human Rights Act 1998. & from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_num...ate_recognition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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