defender dinky Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 hi all, wondering , is it possible to swap my 200td engine with a 300tdi engine, if so how difficult will it be cheer's defender dinky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Yes it can be done - there's not that much difference between the two. main one that comes to mind is the chassis engine brackets. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adi Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 .... to swap my 200td engine with a 300tdi engine... Hey Dinky just out of curosity why are you swapping a 200tdi with a 300tdi...whats wrong with the 200? Also i have heard that(correct me if i am wrong)...the 200tdi was one of the best engines by LR...well what do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Adi: The 300 improved on the 200 in almost every way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defender dinky Posted May 14, 2009 Author Share Posted May 14, 2009 Hey Dinky just out of curosity why are you swapping a 200tdi with a 300tdi...whats wrong with the 200?Also i have heard that(correct me if i am wrong)...the 200tdi was one of the best engines by LR...well what do you think? hi ali,the engine i am thinking of changing is a td not tdi cheer's dinky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam300Tdi90 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 hi ali,the engine i am thinking of changing is a td not tdi cheer's dinky There are three later type diesel engines: 2.5TD (Generally has the word 'Turbo' on the back of a standard truck). This is not direct injection, and are known for their faults with turbo lubrication and head gasket issues (never owned one, just common things I hear said about them). 200tdi This is the first of the direct injection engines, according to Landrover not quite as good as a 300tdi as the 300tdi was created to improve on it. However, I have heard people say they were the best type, but I never hear any justification for that!! 300tdi, the engine i have, the pinnical of LR's direct injection engines (before all the electronics!). Some parts are more expensive that the 200tdi parts, but mine goes and goes and goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defender dinky Posted May 14, 2009 Author Share Posted May 14, 2009 Yes it can be done - there's not that much difference between the two. main one that comes to mind is the chassis engine brackets.Les. hi les as anybody done a archive on this topic yet cheer's dinky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 not much different to fitting a Discovery 200Tdi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adi Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Hi Dinky, thanks for info....me also planning to get a 300tdi...so please keep us posted as to how your engine swap goes. Thanks. Cheer AdI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Just done this to mine. It was all done and dusted in a weekend. The backplate needed drilling and tapping for one stud and a couple need removing as they don't line up. Used the 200 engine mounts on the 300. Made a small cut and shut on the o/s chassis mount and notched the n/s engine mount to allow oil filter clearance. Modified the 300 exhaust downpipe to meet the rest of the system and had to change to the 300 rad as the 200/300 oil cooler pipe fittings are different. The only bit i had to get done professionally was to lengthen the oil cooler pipes by 5" as the engine sits at the back of the engine bay on the short bellhousing gearbox fitted to my defender. I would rather have this than fit it up and over the front axle as per the later defenders. A mix and match of the original plus the disco donor intercooler and cooling pipes saw everything plumbed in. The Defender already had an electric fan which is good as the viscous is now to far from the rad to work and i fitted a remote oil filter kit onto the inner wing to save space and allow engine mount clearance. The bonus is that using my vacuum oil extractor i no longer need to crawl underneath to do oil and filter changes. I have also fitted a full width intercooler and adjusted the injection pump and now it really goes well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defender dinky Posted May 15, 2009 Author Share Posted May 15, 2009 Just done this to mine. It was all done and dusted in a weekend. The backplate needed drilling and tapping for one stud and a couple need removing as they don't line up. Used the 200 engine mounts on the 300. Made a small cut and shut on the o/s chassis mount and notched the n/s engine mount to allow oil filter clearance. Modified the 300 exhaust downpipe to meet the rest of the system and had to change to the 300 rad as the 200/300 oil cooler pipe fittings are different. The only bit i had to get done professionally was to lengthen the oil cooler pipes by 5" as the engine sits at the back of the engine bay on the short bellhousing gearbox fitted to my defender. I would rather have this than fit it up and over the front axle as per the later defenders. A mix and match of the original plus the disco donor intercooler and cooling pipes saw everything plumbed in.The Defender already had an electric fan which is good as the viscous is now to far from the rad to work and i fitted a remote oil filter kit onto the inner wing to save space and allow engine mount clearance. The bonus is that using my vacuum oil extractor i no longer need to crawl underneath to do oil and filter changes. I have also fitted a full width intercooler and adjusted the injection pump and now it really goes well. hi paul, i made a printing error , changing from 2.5 td, but the project seems to difficult for me being a novice this is my first defender, think i'll wait till someone puts up an acrhive , but i would love to do it. cheeer's defender dinky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trt1617 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 I have Fitted a 300 tdi engine,gearbox and axles from a p plate discovery to my f plate 90. it was relativly easy to do but you only want to change the engine i guess and i didnt have to worry about the old gear box fitting the engine. as far as the engine fitting all i had to do was cut the old mounts off and fab up some new ones and weld them on it the rite place, all pipe work and stuff were easy to fit and match up as was the wireing harness only thing is im not sure if the glow plugs work so need to check that really at some point, although it starts fine as its direct injection just one cold day it might let me down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defender dinky Posted May 15, 2009 Author Share Posted May 15, 2009 I have Fitted a 300 tdi engine,gearbox and axles from a p plate discovery to my f plate 90. it was relativly easy to do but you only want to change the engine i guess and i didnt have to worry about the old gear box fitting the engine.as far as the engine fitting all i had to do was cut the old mounts off and fab up some new ones and weld them on it the rite place, all pipe work and stuff were easy to fit and match up as was the wireing harness only thing is im not sure if the glow plugs work so need to check that really at some point, although it starts fine as its direct injection just one cold day it might let me down hi trt1617, what it is my friend has a disco 300tdi, failed mot big time, if possible was going to change engine & gearbox, if possible to swap axles and anti roll bars as well to my 90 d reg. cheer's defender dinky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trt1617 Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 hi trt1617, what it is my friend has a disco 300tdi, failed mot big time, if possible was going to change engine & gearbox, if possible to swap axles and anti roll bars as well to my 90 d reg. cheer's defender dinky well that is what iv done mate i mounted the gear box on the original mounts so the propshafts off my 90 would fit this did mean the gear levers are further back than normal and i now have no center seat. the seat box had to be cut and shut a bit to get it to fit and i have got the center consol out of the disco inbetween the seats at the moment to make it look a bit neater. then fitted the engine on its new mounts further forward than the original engine was fitted but still plenty of room for everything else to be fitted around it. and the only problem i had with the axels was the input flange on the rear one and that was easily sorted by ordering some bits from ashcroft transmissions to fit my 90 propshaft i can take some pics if it would help and maybe email them to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bango690 Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Just done this to mine. It was all done and dusted in a weekend. The backplate needed drilling and tapping for one stud and a couple need removing as they don't line up. Used the 200 engine mounts on the 300. Made a small cut and shut on the o/s chassis mount and notched the n/s engine mount to allow oil filter clearance. Modified the 300 exhaust downpipe to meet the rest of the system and had to change to the 300 rad as the 200/300 oil cooler pipe fittings are different. The only bit i had to get done professionally was to lengthen the oil cooler pipes by 5" as the engine sits at the back of the engine bay on the short bellhousing gearbox fitted to my defender. I would rather have this than fit it up and over the front axle as per the later defenders. A mix and match of the original plus the disco donor intercooler and cooling pipes saw everything plumbed in.The Defender already had an electric fan which is good as the viscous is now to far from the rad to work and i fitted a remote oil filter kit onto the inner wing to save space and allow engine mount clearance. The bonus is that using my vacuum oil extractor i no longer need to crawl underneath to do oil and filter changes. I have also fitted a full width intercooler and adjusted the injection pump and now it really goes well. the back plate off the td engine should fit straight on to the 300 (iirc) plenty of info here: http://www.nicksjungle.co.uk/300%20Tdi%20a...Conversion.html hope all is useful to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defender dinky Posted May 18, 2009 Author Share Posted May 18, 2009 well that is what iv done mate i mounted the gear box on the original mounts so the propshafts off my 90 would fit this did mean the gear levers are further back than normal and i now have no center seat. the seat box had to be cut and shut a bit to get it to fit and i have got the center consol out of the disco inbetween the seats at the moment to make it look a bit neater.then fitted the engine on its new mounts further forward than the original engine was fitted but still plenty of room for everything else to be fitted around it. and the only problem i had with the axels was the input flange on the rear one and that was easily sorted by ordering some bits from ashcroft transmissions to fit my 90 propshaft i can take some pics if it would help and maybe email them to you hi trti6i7 , sent post cheer's defender dinky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defender dinky Posted May 18, 2009 Author Share Posted May 18, 2009 the back plate off the td engine should fit straight on to the 300 (iirc)plenty of info here: http://www.nicksjungle.co.uk/300%20Tdi%20a...Conversion.html hope all is useful to you hi bango690, sorry for delay thread and pictures great , , looks abit crowded in engine bay though, don't no when i will be doing it, maybe when and if we get any descent weather, thanks defender dinky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bango690 Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 tht is no problem! as for the weather i hope it holds off long enough for you to complete it for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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