landrover598 Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Anyone use rose joints in their land rover suspension ? Been looking at some large greasable ones and thought it might be interesting to use them Is there is big difference between them and bushes in terms of handling and comfort ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 I bought some stainless / teflon ones to try on a future mod. Sadly, the company who sold them (in the US) had dreadful after-sales. They sent the wrong bits - and refused to swap them saying that their terms for web sales say no refunds, swaps etc. if it's wrong - tough! Those terms were only available on request in writing by snail mail. They even admitted it was their fault - but still said tough! The joints are quite nice having said that - but I don't want to use them for anything as I'm b@@@@@@d if I'm going to order any spares from them! Post a link to the ones you've found - I'm interested! Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover598 Posted March 12, 2006 Author Share Posted March 12, 2006 These were in a little back street engineering aladins cave type shop He had m12 and m16 and a bunch of old money styles IIRC I didn't get a chance to have a proper look at them but they got me thnking (dangerous thing i know ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbocharger Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 I'd be surprised if you didn't see masses of NVH through them, but you'd have pretty precise steering etc and obviously, considerably more travel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover598 Posted March 12, 2006 Author Share Posted March 12, 2006 masses of NVH through them ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbocharger Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Sorry - noise, vibration and harshness. = 'suspension ickyness' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover598 Posted March 12, 2006 Author Share Posted March 12, 2006 mmm, thats what i was woried about I was thinking of using them at front of the rear trailing arms only and leaving all the other connections as bushes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_warne Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Sorry - noise, vibration and harshness. = 'suspension ickyness' Yes, its a regular mod on race cars (replacing every bush with a rose joint) to go and sharpen everything up. IMHO a mixture of bushes and joints would probably work quite well. The only issue with them is that if they get any wear (likely in mud) they have to go in the bin. Much, much worse than a worn out bush. IIRC Paul Wightman experimented with them on his 3-link setup but soon found he as replacing the joints after every event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtydiesel Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Yes, its a regular mod on race cars (replacing every bush with a rose joint) to go and sharpen everything up. IMHO a mixture of bushes and joints would probably work quite well. The only issue with them is that if they get any wear (likely in mud) they have to go in the bin. Much, much worse than a worn out bush. IIRC Paul Wightman experimented with them on his 3-link setup but soon found he as replacing the joints after every event. Steve loydes truck uses one on every suspension link with a bush at the other end, we found some cool rubber boots for them and havn't got any play in any of them after 7 events (well half events of late). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover598 Posted March 13, 2006 Author Share Posted March 13, 2006 we found some cool rubber boots for them Any more info on these ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Any more info on these ? I use rose jointed steering on the freelanders after three years racing I have just had to replace one. I get mine from Engineering Motor Sport 01327 855200 they were the ones that supplied Msport when the set up was built Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D9OSV Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Being using Rose joints on my rear trailing arms for 2 years. Ace Should have done it eariler. The only prob we have encountered tis that you must mantain them, and you get what you pay for. We also tryed on the front but found that the lack of bushing caused the radius arms to facture Buy cheap, get cheap. One of my friends rose jointed the whole back end, and my god the noise was deafening, evreything was transfered up the arms to the chassis and then body. We leave one end bushed the other jointed. We are just a bout to test some new fancy rebuildables, but as i said, you get what you pay for Also be aware of the amount of deflection you are looking for (side to side movement) as you will be suprised by the difference. Hope this helps. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark90 Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Hmmm, a mate of mine makes bearings and rod ends for helicopters, I wonder what he can get hold of when no-one's looking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Being using Rose joints on my rear trailing arms for 2 years.Ace Should have done it eariler. The only prob we have encountered tis that you must mantain them, and you get what you pay for. We also tryed on the front but found that the lack of bushing caused the radius arms to facture Buy cheap, get cheap. One of my friends rose jointed the whole back end, and my god the noise was deafening, evreything was transfered up the arms to the chassis and then body. We leave one end bushed the other jointed. We are just a bout to test some new fancy rebuildables, but as i said, you get what you pay for Also be aware of the amount of deflection you are looking for (side to side movement) as you will be suprised by the difference. Hope this helps. Jim having said that the rose joints I just bought are £75 each for the steering on the Freelander Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover598 Posted March 13, 2006 Author Share Posted March 13, 2006 Been doing a bit of surfing and found a motorsports company on Ebay that sell M16 Rose Joints for about £8 each I take it that these are very cheap ones How much should i pay for good quality ones ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D9OSV Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Bout the same as Jules, Ooouch Hurts every time i think of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Bout the same as Jules,Ooouch Hurts every time i think of it They have lasted three years untouched on my Racer. M14 threaded shaft but made for the job mine aren't standard and they were to M sport design.(WRC) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michele Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Interesting, I was wondering about these things fitted to front and rear this morning, spoke with the boss (avid racer) and been warned about vibs. Other than that,as written above,they don't seem to last long in mud/water/dirt. What makes me doubt about is the lack of movement allowed compared to standard bushes? Maybe I'm wrong but do they allow only vertical movement given their construction? Even if some lateral movement is possible with these ones...judgin' by the pic... ...maybe? Just thoughts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverick Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 cheep rose joints wont last two mins once you get git and ****e in it wou need a high qualtiy one and they will cost owt from £50 up depending on size have some on the steering and they where £45 ea but unlike state side who like to use heim joint a lot our driving conditions over here contain a lot more mud and salt from the nroad that just eats these for dinner tried the greeseable 1s with a leather boot and any road use just nackerd them now we hav some jonny joints on the rear arms and they are lasting fine as they are greeesable and some are adjustable to take up slack the pluss side they have a ball joint in a nylon cup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michele Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 now we hav some jonny joints on the rear arms and they are lasting fine as they are greeesable and some are adjustable to take up slack the pluss side they have a ball joint in a nylon cup Post piccies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverick Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 would if i could but i cant so i wont if you send email add can send you them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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