Matt BADLRC Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 What sort of events would you like to do in 2010:- Single vehicle 1 day 40 punch cards on one side with 2 special stages? Single vehicle 1 day potential 80 punches eg cards on both sides with 2 special stages? Single vehicle 2 day potential 80 punches eg cards on both sides 4 special stages? 2 day 2 vehicle team events with 1 card on each vehicle with 4 special stages? 2 day 2 vehicle team events with 2 cards on each vehicle potential 160 punches and 4 special stages? 2 day single vehicle GPS plot events? 2 day single vehicle gps plots and road book. eg gps plots of punches with some having a fixed route detailed in a road book eg tulips etc? 2 day single vehicle with 1 day of all specials and 1 day 40 punches? anythng else we have missed?? let us know what is missing in the UK challenge scene and we may be able to bridge the gap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLR100 Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Hi matt, from the ones i have seen this year i think you have laid on some good events and it has been purley bad timming and luck from my point of view that i have been unable to enter as many as i would liked to have, for me personaly i think a 2 day event is best purely because of travelling as it can make for a long day when you have to drive 2-3 hours each way, i don't think it makes a alot of difference if you have a punch on one side or both so long as you are able to fill your day with tough and very tough punches, i allways like an event where every punch has a entry and exit (even if it is the same start and finish) as i find nothing worse than driving arround trying to spot a punch hanging on a tree in the middle of anywhere as it tends to be a comp for who has the best eyesight and not the ability of vehicle and crew. i personaly would hate a gps/road book type event i think manby style tough timmed sections for one day and punch on the second would make for a very good format and with regards to 1 car or 2, why not let people decide on the day so still 2 sets of results but all cars doing the same which would probally work ok? i'm sure my ideals are totaly differnt to others so i'll shut up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl hurst Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 My type of events are 2 day with night stage, like you did on christmas chalenge and the tuff trophy is same type of set up and i like the one day type events aswell, The GPS type events are a good thing but you would probably need more than one site and then it would need all trucks to be fully road legal, then the expense of gps system may be a issue, My thaughts anyway, Carl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsr341 Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 2 day 2 vehicle events for me , i know team events are not every ones cup of tea but i like em Dafydd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boothy Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Single vehicle, which has proved itself time and time again all year as you know. Love the double punch card, forget GPS, leave it for the forrests of Russia etc, and a single or possibly two special stages, but unlike Sunday let competitors either be able to chose and score one or score both fairly. Must be honest I did not like the trials style one sunday at Mow Cop with an unrealistic 5 minute maximum time allowed, which inluded 10 gates and a winch pull, which I thought was a bit short on time for a clubman, even though I timed out on 5min 07 seconds and didn't record a score, what I should have done is not even attemt it in the first place if I didn't think it's achievable. Just a moan about the time really, call me a mard arse. And don't make excessively hard punches all day, any clown can find impossibly hard punches to keep the so called big boys amused, but don't forget you are trying to attract newcomers into competitions, possibly with their daily drives which are all nice and shiney and dent free, without lockers or cages, so some easy some intermeadiate and some animals, as well as some nice technical stuff. Quite a few spectators said sunday "you must be mad trying that", not "I'll get a winch on and try the next one, there's some I could manage". You know what we want Matt, keep up the good work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88 inch of pure pleasure Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 i will be watching this topic with interest,im hoping to start my first season in the winch challenge events next year having watched may vid's and looked at many photos iv noticed some realy mad punch possitions although im willing to have a go at most things and having a truck built mostly for the job it would be nice to be broken in easily just untill the basics are picked up,iv offroaded for a while but winching is all new,there should be 2/3 of us hoping to join in next year with varying skills and speck'ed trucks.thanks paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saley Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Hi Matt I'm for 1 car events 1 or 2 days with the first day of the 2 dayer being SS's,dosn't matter about the punch format any of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty_wingnut Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 one for Road Taxed trucks that cover over 20k miles per year and have winches worth less than £500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jil6939 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 one for Road Taxed trucks that cover over 20k miles per year and have winches worth less than £500 I thought they had that event already. Its called the school run. Just messing, each to there own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokey_joe Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 1 day single vehicle and team events run together. Gives the option to still compete if let down by team member at the last minute. A lot work Saturday mornings so could maybe manage a couple of 2 day events a year by booking holiday. I liked the 40 punch 2 cards system at Mow Cop. I Like the marked off routes to the punches, as wandering round a forest in the dark with a head torch searching for punches is not my idea of a good day out. I would steer clear of GPS because we don`t have a fag lighter socket fitted and I don`t get on with technology. I would be inclined to give higher points for the more difficult markers, and set a decent cross section of punches to allow less extreme vehicles to compete without risking damage. I would reduce the weighting of the Special stages to the final score, purely from a selfish point of view, as we prefer to collect punches, also our sub £500 winch package was never going to pull us up that bank to meet the 5 min maximum on the second special at Mow Cop. Cheers, Guss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHT Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I think the time was an 8 min dnf not 5 so you should have scored. Nice to hear what you have to say. When we set out on saturday I didn't realise all the punches were that hard till half way through sunday when I was almost flat on my back with cramp. Brings a big light to things when you play with what you set out. One idea I had for punch scoring was exponential reduction by a percentage for every person that gets the punch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Webster Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I'm for two/three day with road book, all special stages. Drive as fast as you dare, the fastest is the winner. I'll leave my winch at home! ...I'll get my coat! H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forestrynick Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Single vehicle, which has proved itself time and time again all year as you know. Love the double punch card, forget GPS, leave it for the forrests of Russia etc, and a single or possibly two special stages, but unlike Sunday let competitors either be able to chose and score one or score both fairly. Must be honest I did not like the trials style one sunday at Mow Cop with an unrealistic 5 minute maximum time allowed, which inluded 10 gates and a winch pull, which I thought was a bit short on time for a clubman, even though I timed out on 5min 07 seconds and didn't record a score, what I should have done is not even attemt it in the first place if I didn't think it's achievable. Just a moan about the time really, call me a mard arse. And don't make excessively hard punches all day, any clown can find impossibly hard punches to keep the so called big boys amused, but don't forget you are trying to attract newcomers into competitions, possibly with their daily drives which are all nice and shiney and dent free, without lockers or cages, so some easy some intermeadiate and some animals, as well as some nice technical stuff. Quite a few spectators said sunday "you must be mad trying that", not "I'll get a winch on and try the next one, there's some I could manage". You know what we want Matt, keep up the good work. Yeah it did end up being an 8min dnf, my apologees for the confusion. When i timed you, we had just seen Dafydd do it in 3min 6ses! And besides if you hadn't of farted around trying to roll down by the tree you would have been at least a minute quicker! The blind fold section was worth having, if only for the comedy of watching Dan drive into a rock! (and i hear the Barny/Simon combo was quite entertaining!). I've been thinking about the ss stages, instead of having a fixed dnf time and scoring points from that. Could maybe just alocate score in order of who is fastest. ie 1000points for 1st 900 for 2nd etc and penalaties will be given in added time for hitting canes etc. I agree with your point about punches being too hard, the northern and clubman has had a reputation as being a beginner/moderate challenge and i definately think this is lacking and needed in the challenge world. (kind of like what scotia series was supposed to be). I also think we should be thinking about making more punches accessible to single winch teams. How ever in Barny, Dave and myself's defence that site did lend it self to hard punches! (and there more fun to set out anyway!) Nick ps I hope to compete in a few next year so my vote is for single vehicle with some easier punches, especially ones that don't require hydraulic/gigglepin winches! Probably 2 day becuase i think its much better value and defiantely with double cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boothy Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Don't put me in for any 2 day events, some of us have to work for a living, just look how many entrants to the 2 day events this year, 2 teams last event, no teams this event, should be quite popular then. Mow Cop leant itself to be available to all sort of punch abilities easy, hard and intermediate on different areas within a large site, you must attract newcomers and that is the only way to survive and grow. There are hard competitions up and down the country that specialise on extreme formats, so be carefull. You did not have any suitable recovery vehicles on site and the only people capable of recovery and equipped for it were fellow competitors, so be wary on having ahigh number of extreme or hard punches where novices can become unstuck as well as "experts". this post was started by Matt asking what sort of style and formatt of event WE wanted, put it to the vote of the competitors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Love the double punch card, forget GPS, leave it for the forrests of Russia etc, Maybe you should try some GPS for a change? Like it a lot myself. Daan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boothy Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Come on Daan these are small'ish sites aimed at a mixed bag especially newcomers and intermediates, takes some of us all night to find the Gents in the boozer. If you can find your way up from Oxfordshire you will find a warm welcome oopp Nerth, we can even supply a translator if you get stuck with Saleys twang. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treebloke Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 What sort of events would you like to do in 2010:- Single vehicle 1 day 40 punch cards on one side with 2 special stages? This floats my boat, and sometimes sinks my Hybrid. I do like two day events but work gets in the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draper40 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 And don't make excessively hard punches all day, any clown can find impossibly hard punches to keep the so called big boys amused, but don't forget you are trying to attract newcomers into competitions, possibly with their daily drives which are all nice and shiney and dent free, without lockers or cages, so some easy some intermeadiate and some animals, as well as some nice technical stuff. Quite a few spectators said sunday "you must be mad trying that", not "I'll get a winch on and try the next one, there's some I could manage". Perhaps two different categories of punches so the less well endowed vehicles can get more punches and have a more competitive lower end, i.e. different (colour-coded?) punches on the same site so as to satisfy the above? Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt BADLRC Posted November 3, 2009 Author Share Posted November 3, 2009 Thanks for the comments guys keep them coming, I was talking with Barney today and we were just discussing that Mow Cop ended up a bit harder than our previous rounds, Sorry about that we will do our best to keep future rounds level, but you don't always know when you are setting it up. We will work all the comments at our next meeting and feed back here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt BADLRC Posted November 7, 2009 Author Share Posted November 7, 2009 anymore comments guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt BADLRC Posted November 7, 2009 Author Share Posted November 7, 2009 anybody got any ideas on what to do for Specials what works what dosent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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