McS Junior Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Mine is 120" climbs faster than a fast thing & crosses ditches like there not there So what was it that broke it then Pete.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Driver? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover598 Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 My last 3 vehicle builds have been 100" so i'm biased towards that you can have an obstacle that will stump one wheelbase but another will drive straight over So why not build a vehicle with adjustable wheelbase, in the words of Clarkson "How hard can it be?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_warne Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 So why not build a vehicle with adjustable wheelbase, in the words of Clarkson "How hard can it be?" No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathtub Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 So what was it that broke it then Pete.... Technicaly nothing broke Rear trailing arm top link bent when we rolled & ARB line melted from too much air pressure/ heat from engine bay. Then i had a dead Wookie & a **** driver Mind you it was the 1st time i had driven it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicks90 Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 no such thing as a right answer. go for a small super light 80" and never get a problem in tight sections and drive around things that bigger motors have to shunt and winch through. But you end up winching across ditches and other things that can be driven by longer trucks. BUT its so small and light the twin motor winch will pull you through at lightning speed go for a long bigger truck and cross ditches and climb much better, but spend half your time adding sliders and protection to help shove small forests out of the way and rigging up fancy winching to pull you round tight sections. Plus you'll be alot heavier so you'll sink more and your winches have more weight to pull and work slower. exactly the same sort of considerations for RTV as well, big gets a shunt and can climb over obstacles better - but can be a right bitch/barge on tighter stuff. personally I love the little zukes. They seem to be getting more and more popular in the UK challenges - jimny with yota axles and a V6 auto from a grandvit shoehorned in would be lovely-jubbly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathtub Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 no such thing as a right answer. go for a small super light 80" and never get a problem in tight sections and drive around things that bigger motors have to shunt and winch through. But you end up winching across ditches and other things that can be driven by longer trucks. BUT its so small and light the twin motor winch will pull you through at lightning speed go for a long bigger truck and cross ditches and climb much better, but spend half your time adding sliders and protection to help shove small forests out of the way and rigging up fancy winching to pull you round tight sections. Plus you'll be alot heavier so you'll sink more and your winches have more weight to pull and work slower. exactly the same sort of considerations for RTV as well, big gets a shunt and can climb over obstacles better - but can be a right bitch/barge on tighter stuff. personally I love the little zukes. They seem to be getting more and more popular in the UK challenges - jimny with yota axles and a V6 auto from a grandvit shoehorned in would be lovely-jubbly. I agree with small trucks being better in tight forests. The question really is what events do you want to do ??? Do Tay or Croatia etc & a small truck wont stand a chance of keeping up !! Also power to weight is a factor as long as your drive train will take it !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 So why not build a vehicle with adjustable wheelbase, in the words of Clarkson "How hard can it be?" There is actually one in the land of ExcessUSA... somewhere on youtube i saw a video of it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_warne Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 But how much does it weight???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Turning circle is also bodywork and axle geometry related in our sport! In Ireland the other year Dieter from D&G in his what is now Seff's "Fire Ant" tube chassis 104" WB buggy was out turning us, out foresting us, out hilling, out descending, out maneuvering and basically making us look even stupider than we are! in Ced's 90! He was just wiggling through the trees, using axle articulation etc to effectively shorten his wheelbase, Imagine the axle half way up a tree! the path of the radius arms effectively shorten that side of the truck! Interesting to watch! **** to compete against! Lara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathtub Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Turning circle is also bodywork and axle geometry related in our sport! In Ireland the other year Dieter from D&G in his what is now Seff's "Fire Ant" tube chassis 104" WB buggy was out turning us, out foresting us, out hilling, out descending, out maneuvering and basically making us look even stupider than we are! in Ced's 90! He was just wiggling through the trees, using axle articulation etc to effectively shorten his wheelbase, Imagine the axle half way up a tree! the path of the radius arms effectively shorten that side of the truck! Interesting to watch! **** to compete against! Lara Add 4 wheel steer & 500hp & its even more fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathtub Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 But how much does it weight???? 2440kg with 200l fuel ,spare & driver/co-driver Dont forget to 2 Twin Motor Gigllepins ,1 9000 centre winch & Stak driven PTO Oh yer 44s on Alloys are about 90kgs each Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollythelw Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 hmm, sorry to hear that Pete, I had kinda hoped that the fugly was a trade off for light I dont know about UK stuff but anything longer than about 105" out east is a logging truck, regardless of 4 wheel steer - they simply cannot drive forest fast enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathtub Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 hmm, sorry to hear that Pete, I had kinda hoped that the fugly was a trade off for light I dont know about UK stuff but anything longer than about 105" out east is a logging truck, regardless of 4 wheel steer - they simply cannot drive forest fast enough. Whats yours way all kitted & drivered up then ??? Never had problem with Lenght on any European event so far the longer wheel base helps cover the gfround better especially with triple Bypass etc . Well until engine went bang anyway. Always a trade off when you do lots of different type of evenst not just 1 a year . You still got Mouse or building something else ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 The humbug Looks fantasic in the pics I've seen and With Pete al the wheel I can't wait to see it. a new level in vehicles and from threads elsewhere there are a fair few others on the way all bar Wills which we all know will take till 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollythelw Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Whats yours way all kitted & drivered up then ??? Never had problem with Lenght on any European event so far the longer wheel base helps cover the gfround better especially with triple Bypass etc . Well until engine went bang anyway. Always a trade off when you do lots of different type of evenst not just 1 a year . You still got Mouse or building something else ?? Nah, building new stuff, seriously though - thats not light by a long shot. But I guess its not an issue for you because you're not allowed out East? Did you pay a lot for it? My wife said something about you making reference to Western European "bought not built" straight axled buggies costing 60-100k and I thought she must have been on the gin thats gotta be pony surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathtub Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Nah, building new stuff, seriously though - thats not light by a long shot. But I guess its not an issue for you because you're not allowed out East? Did you pay a lot for it? My wife said something about you making reference to Western European "bought not built" straight axled buggies costing 60-100k and I thought she must have been on the gin thats gotta be pony surely? Didn't say its light that wasnt what it was all about i have built what i want to drive for the next 15 years or so not just 1 event & sell it. Notice you didnt reply about what yours weighs full kitted with C0-driver etc {exclude wifes weight if you like} I'snt Croatia ,Romania ,Translvania Russian enough for you ??? It was a few years or was at least when i was in the Army Yep Buggy cost about that but when you buy parts not scrounge or beg them thats what it cost mortals like us. Guess we are onto the cheque book offroading issue again then ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Not sure if anyone knows or not but Pete and Wookie both worked a hell of a lot on the build! and when they both live over 500 kilometers away from the where it was happening that is a hell of an achievement! Seriously! one of the reasons for Pete and Andy not having so much fun on their inaugural event was the fact that they had been working flat out for over 48 hours non stop and then without sleep, drove non stop from Belgium to Wales to compete in the Baskaville challenge. That ain't cheque book! But it didn't stop things costing a lot either And remember Pete lives by my old moto "It doesn't matter if you die, as long as you look good doing it" And honestly that is all that counts!! We all die and I too would rather do it looking good!! Lara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollythelw Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 [Micheal Winner voice] calm down dear..[/Micheal Winner voice] I was merely trying to work out how much these companies in Western europe charge for a turn key buggy because its something we are comtemplating doing on a professional basis. We build on budget and on time, we have NEVER missed a deadline yet and despite having no shakedown time our stuff doesnt break. I have no issue with "bought not built" because those that buy provide a living for those that build - simple. But.. if you want to get into a Morrisey'esqe downer contest about mortality then mark myself, everyone I know and pretty much 99% of the population down as "sub-mortals" we simply cant affort to blow 100k on a toy. If that provides some form of moral highground for you then knock yourself out and enjoy the view, because quite frankly I genuinely dont give a monkeys . Im proud to be a member of a team, we punch way above our weight because we pull together, if you are asking me to feel bad being in that position then forget it Im sure Laras bang on and you did lots of driving, that makes the cost even more interesting, but that comment leaves me even more intreagued, why did you have to? To answer your weight question, thats easy - we are a race team, competitive advantages are hard won and easily lost. so big hugs, you like it - thats all that matters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Horses for courses All the builds are a credit to their builders/owners however they come about. lots of people can't build but can buy, nothing wrong with either all are a credit and exciting to see in progress/action. Lets not have a spat amongst people with the same interests please. For the record I can't build or buy any of these incredible machines but I love to see them created and used like many people on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathtub Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 [Micheal Winner voice] calm down dear..[/Micheal Winner voice] I was merely trying to work out how much these companies in Western europe charge for a turn key buggy because its something we are comtemplating doing on a professional basis. We build on budget and on time, we have NEVER missed a deadline yet and despite having no shakedown time our stuff doesnt break. I have no issue with "bought not built" because those that buy provide a living for those that build - simple. But.. if you want to get into a Morrisey'esqe downer contest about mortality then mark myself, everyone I know and pretty much 99% of the population down as "sub-mortals" we simply cant affort to blow 100k on a toy. If that provides some form of moral highground for you then knock yourself out and enjoy the view, because quite frankly I genuinely dont give a monkeys . Im proud to be a member of a team, we punch way above our weight because we pull together, if you are asking me to feel bad being in that position then forget it Im sure Laras bang on and you did lots of driving, that makes the cost even more interesting, but that comment leaves me even more intreagued, why did you have to? To answer your weight question, thats easy - we are a race team, competitive advantages are hard won and easily lost. so big hugs, you like it - thats all that matters Wahts with the whooo is me bit & we punch way about our weight bit ?? you got just as much money or time as everyone else. I know it a Russian immigrant thing to feel hard done bye & all English are lazy rich fat person I'm not that keen on {ok im fat} but mate your English if you have forgotten To stick up for what seems like a dig at Dieter .I kept adding / changing the truck so thats my fault I kept going out to make sure it fitted me, & i knew how it worked /how to repair it in the field doesnt that make sense?? Like you Jez i dont care /get upset about what other people say .It was just you started the digging like you normally do with Jim. Seems to me the way you rate Eastern Europe i cant see why you live in the **** part of it as nearly every post / article i read about you seem to down our side ?? Still not answered the weight question yet then??? Is it a Fying Bunch of spanners question from the secret Disney club lab secret Need to borrow some scales?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest noggy Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 60-100k on a chuffin buggy? even i could build one cheaper than that! I appreciate that some people have no idea where to start building a truck/buggy/offroader and therefore they pay WAY over the odds for a relatively simple machine. These same people are also won over by orange paint. Jez is right, who on earth has that much money to spend on a truck? i mean you have to be seriously well off. I quite understand why Jez doesnt post on this forum much anymore, same reason i have stopped coming here quite so often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkrentfitter Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 wow that was one cat fight going on,talk about handbags at 10 paces,it is a real shame because i get a lot of enjoyment following build threads,it is a shame if knowledgeable talented people stop posting on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landmannnn Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 60-100k on a chuffin buggy? even i could build one cheaper than that! If you check out the link you can see why it cost that kind of money. Some very serious specc'd kit on that motor. http://blog.dgtuning.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathtub Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 If you check out the link you can see why it cost that kind of money. Some very serious specc'd kit on that motor. http://blog.dgtuning.com/ Add up the parts on Mouse plus labour at an average Uk rate & it would cost the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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