reb78 Posted June 22, 2015 Author Share Posted June 22, 2015 Well, I started having a fiddle today with some freelander rear seats that I picked up for £10 on ebay. I will need to adapt the wheel arches a little. These are just propped in place forward of where they will sit once fitted. They will probably move 3-4 inches further back once finished. Headroom wise, this is the height they will be at and that gives me a about three inches of headroom. I'll update more as I go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaunG65 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Hi Just looking at your freelander seats in 2nd row. I had some high backs fitted 7 years ago with a inertia seat belt for centre seat as I needed it for a baby seat. Now kids are older and had a refurb on landy and they put a lap belt on as they said if an accident happened the floor mounted belt & inertia would cause terrible injuries and slip off shoulder & seat ( it did a few times if adults in back). I really need a good seat belt and want to know if belts are ok from freelancer. I was looking at fitting crew cab 60/40 with inbuilt belt. Only other thing is fitting a rally style 4 point with straps either side of head rest. Great examples of ingenuity ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toenden Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Hi, I would post some pics if I could figure out how to? I could email you some? mads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted June 24, 2015 Author Share Posted June 24, 2015 Hi, I would post some pics if I could figure out how to? I could email you some? mads If you go to more reply options, you can upload the pics to the forum there. Alternatively, use photobucket - upload the pics to their site and then you can get an image link that you copy and paste into your text on here. The image is then displayed in the post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted June 24, 2015 Author Share Posted June 24, 2015 Hi Just looking at your freelander seats in 2nd row. I had some high backs fitted 7 years ago with a inertia seat belt for centre seat as I needed it for a baby seat. Now kids are older and had a refurb on landy and they put a lap belt on as they said if an accident happened the floor mounted belt & inertia would cause terrible injuries and slip off shoulder & seat ( it did a few times if adults in back). I really need a good seat belt and want to know if belts are ok from freelancer. I was looking at fitting crew cab 60/40 with inbuilt belt. Only other thing is fitting a rally style 4 point with straps either side of head rest. Great examples of ingenuity I think the middle seatbelt will work well with these freelander seats - the key to that one is making sure the seat is anchored sufficiently. The outer belts will need to remain as the land rover ones, but I can feed the catch up through the plate in the bottom of the freelander seat and remove the original freelander belt catch. I dont think this will be a problem as it is essentially the same setup as the original seats really - uses the original inertia reels and the floor fixings in exactly the same way. Seat squab height is virtually identical to the old middle row in the pics above so this should be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Check out the puma floor mount for the rear seat it looks very similar to the freelander setup. If it lines up you can retain the belt catches. Also bear in mind the drivers side seat back catch is part of the seat belt arrangement. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted June 24, 2015 Author Share Posted June 24, 2015 Also bear in mind the drivers side seat back catch is part of the seat belt arrangement. Mike In what way mike? It's not obvious to me how from memory (don't have the seats in front of me at the mo!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 If you look at the car side of the catch you'll see it has a stay that bolts to the body as well as the catch loop. The passenger side doesn't have this. If you think about it the shoulder strap is mounted to the seat in the middle therefore in an accident the top of the seat will take the force of the middle passenger. I'll take a pic of mine later. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toenden Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 ..I think I made it!! The seats are in the front bolted through the seatbase into a new support again bolted to the U shaped support from the chassis. Beside the door it is bolted through the floor/wheelbox with a spreaderplate on the backside. In the middle it is bolted through the floor onto a new support welded to the Aframe out...inrigger? -part of the chassis. Both parts of the seat can be folded down and when so, it equals the height of the wheelboxes. Mads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted June 25, 2015 Author Share Posted June 25, 2015 ..I think I made it!! The seats are in the front bolted through the seatbase into a new support again bolted to the U shaped support from the chassis. Beside the door it is bolted through the floor/wheelbox with a spreaderplate on the backside. In the middle it is bolted through the floor onto a new support welded to the Aframe out...inrigger? -part of the chassis. Both parts of the seat can be folded down and when so, it equals the height of the wheelboxes. Mads Good job. They look neat and fold down in a sensible manner too so that they make the most of the available space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted June 25, 2015 Author Share Posted June 25, 2015 If you look at the car side of the catch you'll see it has a stay that bolts to the body as well as the catch loop. The passenger side doesn't have this. If you think about it the shoulder strap is mounted to the seat in the middle therefore in an accident the top of the seat will take the force of the middle passenger. I'll take a pic of mine later. Mike A pic would be good Mike - I looked at mine this morning, but i cant quite make out what you mean. I have the brackets that the seat back attaches to and they each have an arm on that attaches to the vehicle side - i plan to use this (although may have to modify it if thats what you mean? (not sure it is as you said it was only the drivers side) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Yes that's the bit I'm referring to mine were from a rover car so only on driver's side. Sorry didn't get chance for a picture but sounds like you have it in hand. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted June 28, 2015 Author Share Posted June 28, 2015 Some progress today. Some pics. Mark wheel boxes to cut. Then cut the holes on both sides Check fit Then a bit of CAD (borrowed from the fellas on project binky) Make it into something metal Next were the brackets to hold the seat crossbars. I didn't want to skimp here so they're 25x50x3 RHS. Do this all twice and then start fixing bits in place Cut the cross bar. This took some fiddling to get the height right as the outer 'feet' of the seats sit on the alli I've filled the wheel box cut outs with and the seat brackets sit 1/2 inch lower than these. And then test fit The blocks of wood holding the front of the seat aren't permanent. Need to make the front crossbar now and then secure the seatbacks. The frame needs taking out and the crossbar welding up fully, then a coat of paint. But getting there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 might be possible to reuse the old seats lower pivot brackets, just move them to the required location, they only bolt to the heelboard. neat work on the arch recess cut & fill panels & rear base supports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted June 28, 2015 Author Share Posted June 28, 2015 might be possible to reuse the old seats lower pivot brackets, just move them to the required location, they only bolt to the heelboard. neat work on the arch recess cut & fill panels & rear base supports. Thanks! That's what I plan Ralph with the lower pivots. They are in the right place so no need to move them. I will use all four and then create four legs that raise up to a crossbar that the seat brackets will bolt to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Good work Rich, looks like it's going to work well. Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted June 30, 2015 Author Share Posted June 30, 2015 Thanks Mo Quick question for those following..... I was planning on fabricating and bolting the front mount to the existing seat brackets on the heel box. This would allow both the freelander seat attachment to the frame, and the frame attachment to the heel box to pivot. Is this likely to be sturdy enough or should the frame be static and the only pivot point be the hinges that attach to the seat itself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 You could pick up on the two uprights in the body cross member that bolt through the tub on that face (i can't remember if the existing brackets already do so). Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 the under seat cross member only attaches to the heelboard with 4 bolts [2 at each end] & to the door sill/body sideframe channels, on my 110 the lower pivot brackets only bolt to the heelboard as built. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted June 30, 2015 Author Share Posted June 30, 2015 I was wondering about that Mike. I just keep thinking of the forces that would go through the frame if there was to be an accident with someone belted into the middle seat, so i guess too many pivot points would be a bad thing in this instance. The original seats wouldn't have had this problem as the seatbelt and catch were attached to the floor of the vehicle, not the seat. Perhaps it would be better not to use the 3 point harness in the centre of the freelander seat and to utilise the original lap belt?? That way no force goes through the seat in the event of hard forward braking?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted July 1, 2015 Author Share Posted July 1, 2015 Perhaps it would be better not to use the 3 point harness in the centre of the freelander seat and to utilise the original lap belt?? That way no force goes through the seat in the event of hard forward braking?? Any thoughts on this bit guys - i'd appreciate your ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 You could use the original lap belt but you would need to remove the freelander one completely as if it's there it's mot'able. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted July 3, 2015 Author Share Posted July 3, 2015 Bit more progress. I decided the original mounts would be fine. I have an eberspacher in the way that was making other solutions difficult and the heaters position is spot on where it is. So, front frame built tonight. I've opted to use only the rear most bolt holes on the Freelander seat brackets (will post a pic tomorrow when they are fitted to see if you think this is ok) Pics of the front frame- All the metalwork is in the garage now having had a coat of paint. Seat back mounts tomorrow (along with fpr on the disco and welding on the disco chassis ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted July 4, 2015 Author Share Posted July 4, 2015 Ok. The seats are in. First mounted the seats to the front bar. Now, I've only used the rear bolt holes for the seats. Do we think this is ok? I couldn't see any advantage to making brackets to mount the front holes to the crossbar. You can see the front brackets better here Just enough clearance above the eberspacher! (It's more than it looks in the photo) Now, these rear brackets made me ponder! They fix into the seatback to lock it in place. Trouble is, in the Freelander they're bolted through behind the c pillar so the don't fit all the way into the seat as they sit removed from the parent car. This is one locked in place So. Knocked up a bracket Then they fit Next was where to fit the end of the arm. These are a pain as they actually block a lot of space. I settled on this Then repeated for the other side. I was a bit worried this wasn't sturdy enough, but once bolted in, the seatback cannot move and the tie bar is rigid. I think this setup leaves me enough room to fit a two seat bench seat instead of the three seat that was fitted. I may not bother, but as occasional seats, they are useful. Brackets just getting a final coat of paint, then bolt them in tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 They look a good fit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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