wood-gee Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Evening guys, My 200 tdis turbo has decided it no longer wants to be a turbo and currently sounds like a whistling kettle,so I've been looking intomy options. I'm reluctant to shell out for a new one, but I came across these replacement cartridges in an eBay seach: http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/171852473767?_mwBanner=1 Seems like it's just a case of swap the casing and away you go? Has anyone had any experience of these or something similar? Would anyone recommend or warn against them? Finally has anyone had a turborebuilt recently as a cpmparisson for price? Cheers Jake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich broom Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Yes. Fitted quite a few. No issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wood-gee Posted September 13, 2015 Author Share Posted September 13, 2015 Brilliant, exactly what I wanted to hear. Cheers boss! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous doug Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 I fitted that cartridge, the hardest bit is taking the turbo off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wood-gee Posted September 13, 2015 Author Share Posted September 13, 2015 Turbos off and on the workbench so hopefully plain sailing in that case. A related question, the reason for failure I think was largely due to a seized wastegate - if I get that freed off will it be fine to use again or does it need a replaced bearing or suchlike? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigelw Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 I ended up snapping the control arm off the wastegate spindle, cue needing a new turbo Cost was €550 compared to a carp "reconditioned exchange" unit for €300, difference was night and day for comparrisson!!! C&E turbochargers rebuilt unit was as good as new, came with all studs and tin gaskets, syringe of pre-lube and full instructions for fitting and initial starting. Word of warning, beware that in attempting to do this might mean that a local turbo "specialist" could well charge you a core surcharge as you gave thrm a box of bits of an unknown source!!! Good luck though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejparrott Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Changing a whole cartridge like that is generally ok. The danger is where a home mechanic strips that cartridge down to change the bearings. This requires precision machines to get the balance exactly right, otherwise all it does is destroy itself the first time you push it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 On the contrary, I have previously stripped a turbo down to replace the bearings, including upgrading them to 360degree types, and reassembled without balancing with no ill effects. I did a further 15000 miles without issue before I sold that car That said, replacing the cartridge as an assembly is a far quicker, less involved and lower risk prospect for the home mechanic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Changing a whole cartridge like that is generally ok. The danger is where a home mechanic strips that cartridge down to change the bearings. This requires precision machines to get the balance exactly right, otherwise all it does is destroy itself the first time you push it. to play devils advocate, what's the precision machining that you're talking about? if you're simply replacing bearings and gaskets then what needs machining? There's some interesting reading on turbo charger re-building on the web and form my experiences, rotors and shafts are balanced up individually, so the parts are all balanced with respect to themselves, so you just pop them in a nice straight bearing housing and they'll spin nicely to there hearts content...? the issues appear when you've got damage to blades on the rotors in which case they may need re-balancing work... Got me thinking now, I might have to have a play with an old one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejparrott Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 This is the thing, people will use old components which are not as they left the factory. They will handle them any old how, They will not replace what would normally be considered scrap components, they will chuck them back together however they feel like. Net result, poor assembly, leading to failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffR Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 So why are 300 tdi cartridges generally the best part of a £100 cheaper than 200 tdi cartridges? demand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_200tdi Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 On 9/13/2015 at 8:12 PM, wood-gee said: Evening guys, My 200 tdis turbo has decided it no longer wants to be a turbo and currently sounds like a whistling kettle,so I've been looking intomy options. I'm reluctant to shell out for a new one, but I came across these replacement cartridges in an eBay seach: http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/171852473767?_mwBanner=1 Seems like it's just a case of swap the casing and away you go? Has anyone had any experience of these or something similar? Would anyone recommend or warn against them? Finally has anyone had a turborebuilt recently as a cpmparisson for price? Cheers Jake I need to change the cassette on a disco 200 tdi engine fitted to my defender. There looks to be lots of difficulties in removing the whole turbo, and wondered if anybody knows of a reason why a turbo cassette could not be changed with the turbo housing remaining in situ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkie Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 5 hours ago, Nick_200tdi said: I need to change the cassette on a disco 200 tdi engine fitted to my defender. There looks to be lots of difficulties in removing the whole turbo, and wondered if anybody knows of a reason why a turbo cassette could not be changed with the turbo housing remaining in situ? Having done this job myself on a 300tdi, I would say you need the room to see what you are doing properly and space to remove the big circlip holding the compressor housing in place as well as the bolts that hold the turbine housing on. Removing the turbo is a straightforward job for anyone who is handy with a spanner. Oil feed removed, oil return removed, downpipe unclamped and undo the nuts and bolts holding the manifolds to the head. Replacement is reversal of removal with a nice new manifold gasket. If removing the turbo is not a task you feel able to tackle then I would say get someone else to change the casset for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_200tdi Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Thanks Monkie. So sounds like it is possible but not recommended. I was just trying to find ways to save time on the job, looks like I'll be going the long way round like everyone else then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkie Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 I wouldn't describe it as the long way round because I think it will make the job of replacing the cartridge quicker and easier in the long run. Plus far less likely to give your knuckles a good scraping as the circlip puts up a very good fight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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