jcwcooper Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Im looking into buying a cage for my 90, Has anyone used Whitbread offroad before? What are their cages like? It seems they supply the army rally team with roll cages for their landrovers. Thanks Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 90 Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Im looking into buying a cage for my 90, Has anyone used Whitbread offroad before? What are their cages like? It seems they supply the army rally team with roll cages for their landrovers. Thanks Dave. I have one, Very pleased with it and its stood up to some heavy rolls. I do know someone who has had one since mine and the windscreen hoop is different and does not fit as snugly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish Grundy Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 hi, i am currently biulding a 80 coiler with a whitbread cage, the front hoop is 1/2'' too narrow (which in alrc spec becomes a problem!!) the wing bars werent a pair, the pasenger one was 2'' wider at the bottom and i had to use a high lift to bring it straight , i guess he'd bent it in the wrong place, he told me he'd put it all on the jig but he cant have done!! having said all that it was a cheap cage and all the roof bars and rear stays came with the ends already shaped, unlike other makes..ie qt. cheers hamish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcwcooper Posted September 12, 2008 Author Share Posted September 12, 2008 That was my only concern was how snugly it will fit, did either of you buy yours as a kit? Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milemarker Type S Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 I much prefer North off road for cages- very nice bits of kit that are nice and snug... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyzeus Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 The Whitbread's i've seen look first class and are quite cheap however i believe they are not MSA/ARC etc Northoffroad would get my vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smo Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 I have a Whitbread cage on my 90 and its ok - they use "cheap" tube altho it does conform to spec as required. North Offroad made all the cagework for my D-Lander, the tube is a much higher spec and its superb, if i was to get a cheap cage then Whitbread are ok, if i wanted the best nicest cage the NOR get my money every time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Hiatt Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 The Whitbread's i've seen look first class and are quite cheap however i believe they are not MSA/ARC etc Nonsense, there are numerous Whitbread frames competing at club, National and International level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyzeus Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Hence why i put "i believe" Perhap's they do different spec's at different prices..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 90 Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 That was my only concern was how snugly it will fit, did either of you buy yours as a kit?Dave Mine fits very snugly, In fact much more so than pretty much any other cage Ive seen. I bought it as a kit and fitted myself. The one Ive seen since (I mentioned in earlier post) didn't fit as nicely round the screen but still just as well as most other cages Ive seen. I wouldn't worry about tube, I Ive had many heavy rolls including going end over end and its not got a mark on it, More than can be said for some others Ive seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex_mod_90 Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 I know Malcolm AKA Mr Whitbread pretty well. He will make you whatever you want, and will also make it as snug as you want. If you want any pictures of mine reply here and i'll put some up. I wanted mine as close to my canvas truck cab, and he did just that. He has made 5 cages for friends of mine, with orders for another 3 on the way, all are very pleased. With regards to the tube spec it has been covered here in alot of detail. The blueband tube that is used on Whitbread cages does meet the spec. Its probably easier of you call him and explain what you want. He a great chap, who will alwaus spend time talkinh through different options with people so you get what you want. Rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcwcooper Posted September 15, 2008 Author Share Posted September 15, 2008 I know Malcolm AKA Mr Whitbread pretty well.He will make you whatever you want, and will also make it as snug as you want. If you want any pictures of mine reply here and i'll put some up. I wanted mine as close to my canvas truck cab, and he did just that. He has made 5 cages for friends of mine, with orders for another 3 on the way, all are very pleased. With regards to the tube spec it has been covered here in alot of detail. The blueband tube that is used on Whitbread cages does meet the spec. Its probably easier of you call him and explain what you want. He a great chap, who will alwaus spend time talkinh through different options with people so you get what you want. Rich. Pictures would be good if you dont mind posting them up thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex_mod_90 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Pictures would be good if you dont mind posting them upthanks Hi Dave. Sorry finished work a bit late yesterday...... Below are some pictures. Basically this is a custom build cage made specifically to fit a canvas truck cab. A standard one doesnt fit, as the roof line is completely different. The rear hoop and stays are standard, the front hoop is is slighly shorter to pull it into the windscreen a tad, to make the cage tighter, at my request. Its welded to the chassis using spreader plates at the rear stays and the rear hoop. The front is bolted to the outrigger using a 6mm spreader plate, shown here: http://www.whitbread-offroad.co.uk/photo.php?number=4 The front hoop slots over the tube shown in the picture, there is then a bolt that goes striaght through through from the outside of the wing through the two tubes and into the pedalbox/footwell. Some pics below, I hope this works! Regards, Rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcwcooper Posted September 16, 2008 Author Share Posted September 16, 2008 Thanks for the pictures it doesnt look bad at all I think I might get in contact with him and fire a few questions his way. Thanks again Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex_mod_90 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Thanks for the pictures it doesnt look bad at all I think I might get in contact with him and fire a few questions his way. Thanks againDave. No problem, I dont know what you were expecting, but I'm glad you didnt think it looked too bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravaigin Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Looks good. was that a flatpack one or was it built on the vehicle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McS Junior Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 As a member of the Armed Forces Rally Team, I've worked with Malcolm on a number of occassions - all I can say is that his work and attention to detail is superb. We've had a number of heavy high speed rolls and his cages have stood the test of time - plus if they are good enough for the WRC Scrutineers at Wales Rally GB, they should be good enough for most people!! Regards, Ross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish Grundy Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 yes mine was a kit, i bought it flat packed and fitted it my self. alot of hassle but ive got there in the end. they are biult using blue band tubing which confuses some...this is arc/msa spec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex_mod_90 Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Looks good. was that a flatpack one or was it built on the vehicle? It was built onto the vehicle. Mainly because Malcolm hadnt got a jig for a soft top 90, (the standard cages are all built on jigs - land rovers), and partly because in the end it wasnt worth the difference in money between a flat pack and a fully built, fitted and painted cage. e.g supply flat pack truck cab £400 + £55 delivery - £455 supply fit and paint £725. Basically for £270 you turn up, the cage is built and ready painted, holes are cut, cage fitted, your away in about 4 hours. For £270 I didnt think that was bad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohtron Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 McS Junior, i sugest you and the rest of the armed forces rally team check the MSA regulations because ONLY CDS is aproved for rally events. Whitbread cages are fine for what they are ment for, they advertise that they use MSA aproved tube, this is correct BUT it is only approved for Cross Country Events up to National level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RE bend at the knee 2 3 Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 McS Junior, i sugest you and the rest of the armed forces rally team check the MSA regulations because ONLY CDS is aproved for rally events. Whitbread cages are fine for what they are ment for, they advertise that they use MSA aproved tube, this is correct BUT it is only approved for Cross Country Events up to National level. Rohtron, firstly i'm speaking from a position of a few years experience on the AFRT. i'm not sure where you a getting your Data from or how well you now the manufacturer of the cages for the AFRT vehicles but i would suggest that you scurry off and do some more research before making a quote like you have. For Everyone else with regards to the manufacturer, from the experience we've seen on the AFRT especially since we converted to WOLF XD vehicles, the cages have been fantastic, aftercare equally as good and timeframes for building up there also. I am not a member of the cage manufacters company nor am i a family member. All i am is a member of the AFRT who has seen how good the product is. Regards all, RE bend at the knee 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McS Junior Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 i would suggest that you scurry off and do some more research before making a quote like you have.I assume this is you Wayne?!I completely agree with what you have said and would love to know with what authority 'rohtron' speaks and exactly how he knows what material the AFRT cages are made from. For what its worth, I (speaking personally, not on behalf of the AFRT) would fully endorse Whitbread cages and thats why I have one on my own personal 90. Regards, Ross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 McS Junior, i sugest you and the rest of the armed forces rally team check the MSA regulations because ONLY CDS is aproved for rally events. Whitbread cages are fine for what they are ment for, they advertise that they use MSA aproved tube, this is correct BUT it is only approved for Cross Country Events up to National level. as Rally GB is aInternational FIA regulated/sanctioned event, UK MSA regs don't get a look in, FIA overrule the home country regs as international entrants won't comply with UK MSA regs, FIA regs take precedence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous doug Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 another vote for north offroad if for nothing else shaun is a bloody nice bloke. i thought blueband pipe was only to be used on space framed vehicle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohtron Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Ross, it is comon knowledge that whitbread cages are made from blue band (its all they used to be able to bend). As for my authority I dont have any, it is writen in black and white in the MSA blue book (have you checked yet) As i said in my first post there is nothing wrong with Whitbread cages for what they are ment for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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