white90 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 I fitted an AP Borg/Beck now less than 6months it is slipping badly time to change it are Valeo any good? I thought BB were but obviously not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 I fitted an AP Borg/Becknow less than 6months it is slipping badly time to change it are Valeo any good? I thought BB were but obviously not Fit a paddle clutch, its then fit and forget, esp if you have a steel release cage vs plastic. Had mine for years, takes huge abuse, the hotter it gets the harder it grips so to speak Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 I fitted an AP Borg/Becknow less than 6months it is slipping badly Watching this thread with interest as I went through a Borg/Beck in the about the same time frame I just chucked in a new B&B friction plate for the moment as all the other parts of the clutch where fine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted February 25, 2008 Author Share Posted February 25, 2008 Fit a paddle clutch, its then fit and forget, esp if you have a steel release cage vs plastic.Had mine for years, takes huge abuse, the hotter it gets the harder it grips so to speak Nige Any more details? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mortus Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 paddle clutch.. whats that? is that the same as a oil immersed clutch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 paddle clutch.. whats that?is that the same as a oil immersed clutch? It's a clutch plate that's not fully round, but composed of segments look here google images dont know what it would be like offroad...... HFH iam sure will tell us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8CAMEL Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 never used off road never slipped or buggered one careful owner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Ok Paddle clutch........ I used to try all sorts of clutches, I either destroyed the plate, or often it all got soooo hot it melted the carrier : The answer was : Machined out of a solid lump of steel a solid carrier to take the release bearing - Rakeway I think now do a ali version of this for £s rather than me + Hours + lathe http://www.rakeway.co.uk/flywheels,%20clutch.htm 2nd down "Carrier" This then gets rid of the silly plastic carrier. The cover I use a B&B one. the 'Paddle clutch" I can't seem to find a piccie of. I had mine made - around £140 for the plate only - you supply then a plate in exchange The clutch plate comes back without the normal friction cricle on the outside, ..... it now looks like someone has placed 6 brake pads around the outside edge,.... both sides. This is a paddle clutch. (from Demon Web Site for a idea what it looks like) Pros Grips like a demented thing - you will not get it to slip Hotter it gets - harder it grips. No more burnt clutch smell Bought mine prob now 10 years ago, when I took the hybrid apart it was "slightly" worn - the abuse it had had !... popped it in the 90 now, .......that was 5 years ago..... Cons Costs When it gets really hot then slipping the clutch as in say traffic takes pratise, it doesn't like it ! Eats flywheels surfaces if you get reaally silly as it will grip rather than slip Mine was made by ORCA in bordon nr hampshire I can get you a number if you wnat they do postal service With a steel carrier, B&B HD Cover and a Ceramuic Paddle clutch.............. fit and forget Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 A Valeo FTC1994 130 HD friction plate in mine, Les & I fitted it just before Xmass 2006. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 No prices on the site - anyone got an idea of the price of the thrust bearing please? Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WALFY Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 A Valeo FTC1994 130 HD friction plate in mine, Les & I fitted it just before Xmass 2006. They don't do them anymore do they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest diesel_jim Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 They don't do them anymore do they? It's now part # UQB000130 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 It's now part # UQB000130 The Microcat You gave me still shows FTC1994 too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WALFY Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Bro in law asked about a 130 clutch for his challenge truck the other day and was told there was only 1 from now on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 if he uses the UBQ number that should get him the 130 HD valeo plate. Les, got mine from the Bearmach agent in Swindon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 I put a Valeo 130 kit in 2 years ago Tony. http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=4380 Reading some of the comments since regarding their tendancy to apparently self destruct I've had my concerns, but it hasn't missed a beat so far, and gets a right thrashing in the sandhills. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderman Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Ceramic clutch sounds Ideal , But as Nige says They eat Flywheels and pressure plates , But do last a lot longer than organic plates . I have never seen an "Off the shelf" item for the Land Rover , i have just replaced mine with an LUK unit . Seem like a very good quality clutch . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted February 25, 2008 Author Share Posted February 25, 2008 normal clutch Jase or paddle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderman Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 The paddle clutches are ceramic , Expensive but last Organic Clutches , Normal run of the mill off the shelf jobs . Cheaper but more frequent changed and usually none or little flywheel damage . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest diesel_jim Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 The Microcat You gave me still shows FTC1994 too /off topic/ I'm using the same version as you Ralph... however... when you do the search, and you've got the picture of the item on the screen and the bar across the bottom that shows the description, call out number and (on the right) part number, sometimes the part number is in italics, if so, right click it and select "ISO search", which will then search for any superceded part numbers. "why doesn't it show the latest part number in the first place?" i hear you ask... dunno. possibly becaue when i searched for the clutch plate yesterday. i never put in a VIN or registration plate, so it (microcat) couldn't be age/VIN specific. possibly if i'd have put in a later Td5 VIN number it would have poppped up with the later UQB number. /back on topic/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 the 'Paddle clutch" I can't seem to find a piccie of. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cipx2 Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 In the past few months I've seen on this forum that most people were recommending Borg & Beck as the way to go for. Now it doesn't seem to be such a good choice (although there were older reports of B&Bs slipping). As about Valeo, there are plenty reports and pictures on this forums about Valeos that disintegrated or, to cover all stories, that needed to be replaced before wearing out. How about another brand then? I'm using SACHS - now part of http://www.zf-trading.at. The UK branch is here: http://www.zf-trading.co.uk - you can find there a catalog, where to buy from (Partner Web) If you didn't hear about SACHS before, they are OEM for Audi and Porsche, just to name a few. One can do a search for SACHS clutches and see if he can find bad reports about them, no matter the vehicle they were fitted to. Edit, forgot to say: Sachs clutch kits come even with the grease for the bearing! I don't know much about LUK. All I can say is that they are the cheapest option in Europe (followed by B&B, Valeo and then comes SACHS) - speaking about LR clutches. On the other hand, I wouldn't use the so called "heavy duty" clutch on anything but 130's. I would stick for what LR recommended for that particular type of engine-vehicle combination. As for the ceramic clutches, I haven't seen one mounted on a diesel before so I don't have any experience on this. I mean a diesel used on normal roads or off road (not exclusively off road). I donno if it will be too much fun to drive it ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 On the other hand, I wouldn't use the so called "heavy duty" clutch on anything but 130's. I would stick for what LR recommended for that particular type of engine-vehicle combination. out of interest why not? people upgrade there drive train eg axle etc.. so why not the clutch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 In the past few months I've seen on this forum that most people were recommending Borg & Beck as the way to go for.Now it doesn't seem to be such a good choice (although there were older reports of B&Bs slipping). As about Valeo, there are plenty reports and pictures on this forums about Valeos that disintegrated or, to cover all stories, that needed to be replaced before wearing out. How about another brand then? I'm using SACHS - now part of http://www.zf-trading.at. The UK branch is here: http://www.zf-trading.co.uk - you can find there a catalog, where to buy from (Partner Web) If you didn't hear about SACHS before, they are OEM for Audi and Porsche, just to name a few. One can do a search for SACHS clutches and see if he can find bad reports about them, no matter the vehicle they were fitted to. Edit, forgot to say: Sachs clutch kits come even with the grease for the bearing! I don't know much about LUK. All I can say is that they are the cheapest option in Europe (followed by B&B, Valeo and then comes SACHS) - speaking about LR clutches. On the other hand, I wouldn't use the so called "heavy duty" clutch on anything but 130's. I would stick for what LR recommended for that particular type of engine-vehicle combination. As for the ceramic clutches, I haven't seen one mounted on a diesel before so I don't have any experience on this. I mean a diesel used on normal roads or off road (not exclusively off road). I donno if it will be too much fun to drive it ... Well the 130 version fitted to my 90 has no lasted 6months and approx 1000miles so upgrading is the only way to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Neale Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Just out of interest, what are people doing to their clutches to have them fail after such a short time, or to get so hot as to melt the release bearing? Not being sarky or having a dig, just genuinely concerned! I ask as I changed the clutch in my 200tdi 110 back in about October/November 07 as it wasn't clearing properly (turned out to be a cracked spigot bush dragging on the gearbox mainshaft, not the clutch.) The clutch I took out was barely worn - plenty of meat material left on the friction plate and next to no slop in the springs on the pressure plate. The release arm itself (a bog standard OEM unit) also had no wear and no sign of punching through. The clutch had been in there since the 200 tdi went in about 4 years and 50,000 miles ago. This is on a vehicle that weighs in at 2.7 tonnes and is used regularly for heavy towing, marshalling and general running about. It's also my daily driver and averages about 12,000 miles a year. Thoughts gents, please! Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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