landrovermanuk Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 I found this sump heater, I would add a second battery and split charger and could even leave it plugged into the mains overnight via an intelligent charger and just use the battery for those really cold days when it's been left overnight in the car park at work....Any input/ advice is very welcome... Or go for a water heater. I do short journeys at 4am so would like to have a hot engine and not just a hot cab. PS Any one got an idea of the price of the uprated heater fan/ matrix from the Netherland(?)about 3/4 of the way down this page Thanks John... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Sparkes Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 Both links are bad, starting http://http// The Sump Heater is http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220318236168&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT The uprated heater installation is 3/4 down the page at http://www.lrforum.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=17524&st=100 HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santalars Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 20 amps is a word. Even with a second battery you couldn't leave it on for long. With a 75Ah battery I would say approx 2hrs before you would do damage to the battery. A deep cycle battery would be better, but still all the power will have to be charged back over the day. Probably you would do better with a used diesel heater like a Webasto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 That looks like a standard electric heating pad, sure I've seen RS/Farnell selling those. I'm not sure you're going to get a massive boost from that trying to warm your whole lump up, compared to the output from a diesel-fired Eberspacher/Webasto water or air heater. For comparison, hold a 500W floodlight under your sump with the engine cold & switched off and see how long it takes for your the lump to warm up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patch1 Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 The problem that I can see with that heater as nice as it is, is that it looks like it draws its air from under the bonnet and the way it controls the temperature is to shut off the water flow. This is no good on a 2.5D TD or 200tdi as these engines use the heater as the bypass during warm-up. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrovermanuk Posted December 6, 2009 Author Share Posted December 6, 2009 Thanks for your replies....First off sorry about the links...I did them in a rush before going out. I knew some one would come along and confirm my fears about the battery life...and point out how long it would take to warm the engine up.... I thought I would end up going for a water heater, was just hoping a cheaper solution might come up. Re the heater up grade I think I've seen a much improved matrix that fits the original heater box, but I can't remember where. I don't know if the one in the link could be adapted to take air from the wing intake. My 90 has the 3.9 efi lump fitted so not sure how the heating system differs from the Tdi... Cheers John. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 in 90/110/130/Defender the actual heater box unit is common to all but the TD5 is slightly different around the top section & Puma vehicles are completely different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakesy Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 On another swing on the heating the engine block. There is a company in america who sell a product called PowerBlankets. Which by placing over the engine bay heat up after a short period of time. Is there or was there a company over here in blighty have a similar setup for car engine bay. I have just making inquiries for the sump heater at the moment from the manufacturer. They mentioned different sizes on there website blurb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q-rover Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Just get a 220V block heater, obvious limitations, or a Webasto/ Eberspacher. The latter are expensive, but once you've used one you'll find it worth every penny. Can't do without them here in the winter with diseasel engines. All new LR's come fitted with them here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cieranc Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 I've just got hold of an Eberspacher engine heater out of a Sprinter van, it's designed to heat your coolant up and circulate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrovermanuk Posted December 13, 2009 Author Share Posted December 13, 2009 Thanks for all the replies I'm going to go for the Eberspacher engine heater. I want something that can be used away from a power supply. John. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacks906 Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 hi i looked in to all options when i thought i was moving somewhere cold but couldnt stay for long enough find out . block heaters are by far the best ones to use they will heat the system far and quicker than any webasto or eber, altho i would fit a pump to slowly circulate the coolant while the engine is off. you can make these your self but am unsure how. webasto or eber will be fine to be used away from home or all the time if its cold out to keep at correct temp but will struggle if it gets really cold out to heat the engine fully from cold the best option if for a colant heater would be out of the old style merc sprinters (as far as i know they all have them there but some are wired up differently) dont forget to get as much as you can off the merc, they also have a colant pump etc in the engine bay dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q-rover Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 hi i looked in to all options when i thought i was moving somewhere cold but couldnt stay for long enough find out . block heaters are by far the best ones to use they will heat the system far and quicker than any webasto or eber, altho i would fit a pump to slowly circulate the coolant while the engine is off. you can make these your self but am unsure how. webasto or eber will be fine to be used away from home or all the time if its cold out to keep at correct temp but will struggle if it gets really cold out to heat the engine fully from cold the best option if for a colant heater would be out of the old style merc sprinters (as far as i know they all have them there but some are wired up differently) dont forget to get as much as you can off the merc, they also have a colant pump etc in the engine bay dave In my experience Eber. or Webasto have no problems, even in subzero temps. They only start suffering when it gets so cold that your vehicle battery is also suffering. They are by far the best option, and I used mine all year round. In the summer I just had the heater set to cold air, so that it would blow in ambient air. Usefull if the car has been standing in the sun all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacks906 Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 depends how cold i suppose it goes we were going to be experiancing well into the minuses and were told by the locals they were of no use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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