Muther Trucker Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 i`m after some springs for my 90, its been sat down quite a bit at the nsf corner, was thinking about going +2 inch to stop the tyres rubbing. all the kits like the britpart one on paddocks seem to give a +2 inch lift by keeping the same length spring, but increasing the lb/inch rating - standard 90 fronts are 175lb/inch and the lift springs are between 200 - 230lb/in although the uncompressed lengths are the same so it seems the "lift" actually comes from "less droop" of the stiffer spring, therefore they`ll give a harder ride???? which is not something i want... i`ve been looking at this page: http://members.shaw.ca/jbarge/springinfo.html and wondering if i can use springs that have a very similar rating to standard, but with an increased uncompressed length, thus having the same amount of bounce as standard, but higher cos of the extra length?? such as: NTC8477 Disco w/ winch kit Front 18.18 178 8.75 green/blue/yellow for the front, these are 3 inch longer, but only 3lb/inch stronger... can anyone see any problems with my theory? also would the 55lb/in difference make a lot of difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandyLee Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Bearmach offer springs with +2" increase in height and either heavy duty or off road, I think the off road ones are quoted as being softer so are probably less poundage, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 I tried to get some of those springs you quoted and they wernt as long as stated there, over 2" shorter. They were britpart ones tho so maybe the genuine landrover ones are correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neildon Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 I had springs and shocks replaced on mine (87 def 90)and have had the softer off road springs, with a 2" lift (its using DeCarbon shocks). However, Im now about to change them again as I find the ride far too soft on the road, theyve only been on about 6 months and done about 200 miles but i just cannot get used to them being so soft. Im sure they are great off road, which is what i asked for (and never used for that as yet as i was doing other jobs on the car)but i just cant be doing with them on the road..... try and drive one with the softer springs before you commit....it might just be me!!! Neil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishbosh Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 I am very pleased with my Terra Firma springs - a 40mm lift and not too stiff. Give Adrian a call at TOR4x4 - he'll sort you out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete300tdi90 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 bearmach blues.... very nice. and great off raod! although they sag alot with a winch bumper n winch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muther Trucker Posted January 5, 2010 Author Share Posted January 5, 2010 i`ve ordered a set of terrafirma tf018 front springs (medium duty) and a pair of tf120 +2 inch shockers... snow permitting should be here tomorrow... thanks everyone 4 ur help... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandyLee Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 bearmach blues.... very nice. and great off raod! although they sag alot with a winch bumper n winch they do say , when ordering , that if you are considering a winch then you need the heavy duty springs ,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete300tdi90 Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 yer i know, but at the time i didnt have one. plus, because they are supersoft, they work great off road, better than the stiff britpart ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neildon Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 As previously stated I want to swap my blue bearmach springs for something stiffer but the garage I use told me unless I pay for very expensive springs I cant get a 2" lift with stiff springs??? Can anyone confirm that? Or does anybody know of a stiffer spring that gives the lift. Maybe i should just revert to standard height but firmer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveturnbull Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 For value, go for green stripe on the front and red/white stripe on the rear. Far better that the cheap aftermarket rubbish. If you want to spend some dosh, then OME seem to be the favouries. Gives you a bit of lift, how much depends on how knackered your current springs are. If you want more lift, use spacer blocks (like the ones gwyn lewis sells). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neildon Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 For value, go for green stripe on the front and red/white stripe on the rear. Far better that the cheap aftermarket rubbish. If you want to spend some dosh, then OME seem to be the favouries. Gives you a bit of lift, how much depends on how knackered your current springs are. If you want more lift, use spacer blocks (like the ones gwyn lewis sells). Current springs are new....i just dont like the way the thing feels like a boat....think im gonna fall out the window on some bends and roundabouts!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landy andy. Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 As previously stated I want to swap my blue bearmach springs for something stiffer but the garage I use told me unless I pay for very expensive springs I cant get a 2" lift with stiff springs??? Can anyone confirm that? Or does anybody know of a stiffer spring that gives the lift. Maybe i should just revert to standard height but firmer. terrafirma do 2"+ HD springs Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neildon Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Thanks very much.....i'll look into them then Neil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishbosh Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 I would check the spring rates of the Bearmach springs you have. IIRC, their lift kits are usually made up of (relatively) short but very stiff spripgs to get the lift. The other lift kits generally have lower rated longer springs as they are more suited to off road use. If that is the case then I am affraid your only option is to modify your driving style to one that suits a barge on roller skates!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neildon Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 ok....ive spoken to Terrafirma and they say it just is like that once you raise the COG.... Also asked if I fitted castor correction radius arms........ What are they.....do i need to change them.....its all so technical....what kind of a dark world have I joined???? Im sure an answer will come....thanks all Neil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweetyduck Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 I know how you feel Neil ! 3 months of education, reading, phone calls and research later,,,, i still know nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishbosh Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 When you lift the suspension, you loose castor which effectively reduces the ability of the front wheels to self centre when exiting a corner. Castor correction arms restore the castor, but bugger up the angle of your front prop thus needing a double cardon prop. (£££££) For most people, a 2" lift doesn't compromise the castor sufficiently to cause problems so I wouldn't bother with the arms. In any event, you can fit the springs, see if you can live with the reduced castor and if not, then do something about it, which by the way you are better off doing with castor corrected swivels. Does that help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Member Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 ....which by the way you are better off doing with castor corrected swivels. Yes, that is the best way to go. A stated, it is usually not need until 3" and above. When you get that high there is a long list of things that should be changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neildon Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Yep....that helps. So the theory is this, Im gonna try the existing springs but take of the roof rack, if i still feel like jonah inside his whale then Im going to replace the rear springs with 2" lift but heavy duty. If that doesnt work I'll probably drop the 2" lift and replace all 4 with standard height HD springs. Castor correction etc is not the way forward for me, Im never really going to need the lift that forces the CC issue. thanks all (my god its just one big learning curve isnt it.....does it ever stop????) Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbeast Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 hi neil as said dont think theres any need for castor correction cheapest option and keep the lift would be replace with your original springs (if u stil got em) and get some 2inch spacers off ebay for about 30-40quid, and sell your springs to make up the cash..sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neildon Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Right.... Ive gone with new terrafirma medium springs TF 023v for the rear, bit more height than standard but 25% firmer than the bearmach off road springs thatb I have on now, also going to have my roofrack off and see how it goes from there. Also I bought a highlift jack today so I can do the springs myself....well it will help...(thats how i sold it to the good lady who is tolerating the Land Rover thing quite well at the moment!!!!!) Just wondering.....is the look my wife gives me when I return with something Landy-ish.....universal????? Neil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishbosh Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Noooooooooooooooooo Don't use your highlift! Bloody nasty pieces of kit they are! Use a bottle jack under the axle to lift it as high as possible. Then put axle stands under the chassis rails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martifers Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Hilifts are bloody useful peices of kit but I agree with bishbosh on this one, not for this use! Do it the safe way, don't regret it!!! If you are happy with the spring rate / stiffness of your original springs and want a small lift <2'' then the cheapest and most sensible option is spring spacers - £20-40 on flebay. Spend the money you save on shocks and shock mounts or a good night down the pub! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete300tdi90 Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 we used hi lifts... tho that was as well as axle stands under the chassis. we just used them as one more support. although they did get in the way as we had about a mini's space to work, not a land rovers all because 'martifers' and their bloody 300 lightweight! ps, dewie fixed, then matlida, then the project? or you gona put it off again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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