kingdong2 Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 Hi guys my mate is thinking of fitting a powerplus carb kit from ACR automotive basicly to get away from the std zenith and weber carbs as they are very unreliable he has a recon'd 2.25 petrol engine fitted so was woundering if they are worth the money and are they worth fitting. the other alternative is to fit a di version of the tdi engine which is the way i would like him to go but he is on a tight budget of £1000 has anyone fitted one of these powerplus kits. graham _______________________ 1962 2a swb 200 tdi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdong2 Posted January 24, 2010 Author Share Posted January 24, 2010 forgot to say the powerplus kits are £540 and wants to buy other stuff like parabolic springs and shockers. graham ____________________ 1962 2a swb 200 tdi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve b Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 What is wrong with the Weber carb then? I've always found them to be ok ? Thats a lot of £££'s for an SU too...Has your friend got the Stage 2 head already? - its recommended on the ACR www I recently fitted a brand new Zenith that a customer had got off Eblag (US) for under £50 incl the shipping. Cheers Steveb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdong2 Posted January 24, 2010 Author Share Posted January 24, 2010 What is wrong with the Weber carb then? I've always found them to be ok ? Thats a lot of £££'s for an SU too...Has your friend got the Stage 2 head already? - its recommended on the ACR www I recently fitted a brand new Zenith that a customer had got off Eblag (US) for under £50 incl the shipping. Cheers Steveb Hi steve he has had two zenith ( copied ) carbs on in the last two years when first fitted they where ok but after a wile they seem to give alsorts of probs we have also fitted weber carbs on as well and they don't seem to be much better but do think when running right the zeniths are miles better than a weber seem to give more power. the old zeniths where better you could but kits for them you can't buy them for the new ones just a new carb hence the reason i went tdi fed up with messing with carbs. no he has the std 81 comp head fitted he just wants something more reliable. graham ______________________ 1962 2a swb 200 tdi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 You could go MegaSquirt & EDIS for £540, bring it into the 20th century And I agree with what Steve B said, really not a lot of point on the performance/£ side given how cheap a V8 or TDi conversion would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve b Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 Hi Graham The SU can be fitted to the std inlet with an adaptor made from a 90 degree weld in pipe bend and two plates to suit carb and manifold. There may even be something on here about it ? Got to be worth a try I reckon cheers Steveb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdong2 Posted January 24, 2010 Author Share Posted January 24, 2010 thanks steve will look into that. graham __________________ 1962 2a swb 200 tdi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 Think I'd just fit a 200tdi and be done with it. Pick a disco lump up for a few hundred quid these days. I wouldnt even entertain the idea of taking the turbo off - I just cannot see the point, or the benefit in removing it. Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reg Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 I am considering a Magajolt upgrade to my 2.25 engine and like the idea of going injected as well, is there a thread showing how this is done on the 4 cyl engine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdong2 Posted January 24, 2010 Author Share Posted January 24, 2010 Think I'd just fit a 200tdi and be done with it. Pick a disco lump up for a few hundred quid these days. I wouldnt even entertain the idea of taking the turbo off - I just cannot see the point, or the benefit in removing it. Jon thats what i was trying to get my mate to do he is half set on fitting a di as he is on a very tight budget and between us we don't have much fabrication skills its the exhaust thats the prob for him as he can't buy a tdi engine parabolic springs + shockers and a steve parker exhaust as i did when i did mine. graham ____________________ 1962 2a swb 200 tdi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 I've never seen fuel injection done, Megajolt is fairly simple though. I'll be MJ-ing my 2.25 later this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 No-one's plucked up the courage to do it to a 2.25 yet, although the thread for the V8 in the tools'n'fab forum gives you all the basic points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 (edited) I imagine one would have to have the inlet manifold customised to house the injectors and what not? Hmm, I might consider doing it once I have it up and running again. Would be a fun little project. Edit: Although I've just realised you could use SPI and run a wet manifold for simplicity Edited January 24, 2010 by Retroanaconda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdong2 Posted January 24, 2010 Author Share Posted January 24, 2010 You could go MegaSquirt & EDIS for £540, bring it into the 20th century And I agree with what Steve B said, really not a lot of point on the performance/£ side given how cheap a V8 or TDi conversion would be. i remember a year / 18 months ago i saw an advert in one of the mags the powerplus kits where still £125 but now they are £540. i am going to see him in the week so will try and persuade him to go di or even tdi but the di would be easier and cheeper for him i think if we do go di is there any differance between 200di and 2.25 petrol as regaurds power. graham ______________________ 1962 2a swb 200 tdi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 Steve parker does an exhaust downpipe for fitting a disco 200tdi - why not just buy that and keep the turbo? Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 Would you like a chocolate teapot to go with that Di conversion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdong2 Posted January 24, 2010 Author Share Posted January 24, 2010 Would you like a chocolate teapot to go with that Di conversion? i know what you mean tbh i would rather him to go tdi as i have done it myself and i think its a great conversion but for him to use the turbo properly he will also need to get the tdi rad intercooler but anyway i am going to see him in the week so see which way he wants to know. graham _____________________ 1962 2a swb 200 tdi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 The standard series rad will work perfectly with a 200tdi. You then only need an intercooler. Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 Sorry for the slight off-topic-ness, but this EFI-ing a 2.25 business has got me thinking.... http://www.msruns.co...hp?f=92&t=22735 I'm so gonna try it, might try and do it SPI rather than using TBI though, more of a challenge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hairyone Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 Sorry for the slight off-topic-ness, but this EFI-ing a 2.25 business has got me thinking.... http://www.msruns.co...hp?f=92&t=22735 I'm so gonna try it, might try and do it SPI rather than using TBI though, more of a challenge I too was quite taken with idea with MS plus EFi on my 2.5 petrol it was these pages that inspired me Otly 2.25 MS + EFI he even has a schematic for the Single point injection to 2.25 manifold adapter. Ther project seemed to die a death but nevertheless has some useful pointers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 TBH it's not a terribly complex business - you need a trigger wheel on the crank pulley, a sensor mount pointing at it, and some way of mounting an injector or four in the intake tract, and a way to tap the manifold vacuum off to the ECU. Somewhere to stick a coolant sensor and an air temp sensor and that's about it. My cousin chopped the end off a 6cyl BMW M5 throttle body and machined a block of ali to adapt it to his 4-pot 3-series, I've seen others make TBI adapters with two chunks of nylon chopping board machined with a dremel - not beautiful, but cheap and effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reg Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 I've learned a lot about EFI for the 4cyl LR engine from these posts, now understand the mystery of injectors and adapter plates. Only problem now is I bought my LR for its simple engineeering and now Im thinking of fitting black boxes and making it all inscrutible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdong2 Posted January 25, 2010 Author Share Posted January 25, 2010 is there anyone on the forum using the powerplus kits and what are they like. graham ____________________ 1962 2a swb 200 tdi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Reg - the point of MS is it's not a black box and it's not inscrutable. Everything is online from the circuit diagram to the source code, and the tuning software lets you see everything & change everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MECCANO Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 I've got a su on my 2.25. Its not a powerplus whatsimajigger. Its a hif6 SU with an elbow adapter off the existing manifold. It gives you a bit more torque low down, but its not £500 more. £500 can buy you a whole lot of other engines + the bits to convert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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