CLUTCH HAS GONE SOFT

[fekete]

Hi guys got in the truck today and straight away the clutch felt soft......it still works fine but the pedal feels softer....any idea's if there is an adjuster some where.. the reason i ask is this has happened before and LR fixed the problem ?

It a 2007 defender 90

[western]

take the top cover off the clutch pedal box in engine bay & check the operating rod locknuts are in the right place, search in here for clutch pedal adjustement.

[fekete]

Thanks Western for your quick reply will have a look tomorrow and look in the search for location

[cackshifter]

I'd check your fluid level; it sometimes feels soft if short of fluid.

Nigel

[Maverik]

Also have a look in the resovoir for any black sediment at the bottom etc, could be a sign your seals are unhappy.

[fekete]

Cheers guys will look today and let you all know the outcome

[fekete]

Thanks cackshifter no fluid in the reservoir should have checked that first

My next question is where has it gone ill check round the foot peddle for leaks

[western]

either leaked out around the master cylinder end seal/dust cover & run down the pedal arm or leaked from slave cylinder into the bell housing.

[fekete]

Western no leaks around the pedal it must be the slave cylinder end thanks for all your help...I'll let you know how i get on

[Les Henson]

When you remove the slave cylinder - don't just pull it away from the flywheel housing when you unbolt it. If the actuating rod comes out - you have a big problem. The rod has to stay in place when you remove the slave, so be careful.

Les.

[fekete]

Thanks Les i'm not the best with vehicle as you might already know lol....Is it an easy job or should i get someone with a bit more knowledge.....I mean i'm s**t ....but willing to try

[cackshifter]

As you'll probably read on here, master & slave tend to fail together so might pay you to change both and do get a decent brand of parts or you'll be doing it again in a few months. Nigel

[Mo Murphy]

You may find this useful

Mo

[fekete]

Thanks guys will give Naks a pm ........you lot are so helpful thanks

[fekete]

Right Guys its the slave that has sprung a leek and on the puma engine its a gearbox out job

[Disco-Ron]

What,................ what a stupid design change then, for something which they should know fails regularly..!!

On my 300, the master cylinder started dripping on the floor one day, i fitted a brand new cyclinder the next day, 2 drives later the slave went, changed that, then a day later the actual clutch started slipping cos of the fluid (i guess) in the bellhousing..... it could just be a fluke........ so guess what, i fitted a new clutch on saturday, 7hrs start to finish, engine out and back in,.......

[fekete]

Here is the pic of the slave in the bell housing i agree stupid designs ?

[western]

What,................ what a stupid design change then, for something which they should know fails regularly..!!

On my 300, the master cylinder started dripping on the floor one day, i fitted a brand new cyclinder the next day, 2 drives later the slave went, changed that, then a day later the actual clutch started slipping cos of the fluid (i guess) in the bellhousing..... it could just be a fluke........ so guess what, i fitted a new clutch on saturday, 7hrs start to finish, engine out and back in,.......

that because it's not a LR designed gearbox, but a Ford unit modded to fit with the transit engine, wonder how many transit owners/ford dealers have changed these slave cylinders.

[Aragorn]

Its a pretty standard design for modern cars tbh. Saves having pushrods, arms and other bits, just nail the slave directly inside the box.

You'll probably find the ZF box in the D3 and L322 uses the same style of slave too.

[Retroanaconda]

In modern vehicles they rarely ever fail, so it's probably a good idea in that respect.

Unfortunately Land Rovers have the impressive ability to make even normally reliable components fail at a much higher frequency.The normal slave cylinder arrangement is pretty good in my view, at least it's simple to change (in terms of major component removal, not fiddly-ness!)

[Les Henson]

Known as a concentric clutch - these are very common nowadays. A damned-sight more expensive than a normal thrust bearing though.

Les.

[fekete]

Right Guys i thought i'd keep you updated on this slave cylinder...LR have agreed to give 50% off fitting the new slave ? JAMES EDWARDS CHESTER want £780 all in. independent £280 all in.... you work out the sums its cheaper for me to pay an independent in full than go halves with LR robin T...s

[Disco-Ron]

Right Guys i thought i'd keep you updated on this slave cylinder...LR have agreed to give 50% off fitting the new slave ? JAMES EDWARDS CHESTER want £780 all in. independent £280 all in.... you work out the sums its cheaper for me to pay an independent in full than go halves with LR robin T...s

True, however, the mere fact that Land ROver have offered to pay half, is them admitting liability...... if you get it fixed at an independant, LR won;t then be offering anything next time round.... god forbid it should happen again, but it is after-all a land rover.... so anything is possible...! for the sake of £100, i'd rather have land rover do it, and have their warranty on the job....

[fekete]

I here what you are saying but the independent i use i have a lot more confidence in them than the main dealer i use..... and there warranty will last the same time.

Thanks for your advice tho