Jiggle Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 A buddy in the US is selling a front and rear disc brake kit on ebay not to mention a power steering setup. Anyone know if you can get replacement pads for this setup? he said they are the same as some mercedes van... but didn't know for sure. sorry for the plug. he's good guy. edited to remove blatant plug, bit OTT for first post, Tonk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro_Al Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 Yes, they are some kind of van - merc or renault or something, just email Paul at TI Console, he'll give you the details. I think they partly chose them so that people could get replacements easily. Al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeriousIIa Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 The early type of TIC discbrake set has Mercedes 100D brake pads. They wear out within 10.000 km and 5000 when offroading. So better buy two or three sets. Cheers Bowy who used to have them but now uses different disc+pads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonk Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Cheers Bowy who used to have them but now uses different disc+pads. what are you running now then? i kill pads quiker than that offroad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomag Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Ive got them, the pads dont last huge milage. If I was to fit discs again I would probably fit the RM ones as they use LR parts and you dont need to modify the swivel housing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Hancock Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 If I was to fit discs again I would probably fit the RM ones as they use LR parts and you dont need to modify the swivel housing What are the 'RM' ones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve H Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Rocky Mountain? Not heard of them doing disc brake conversions but then, theres a lot of stuff I've never heard of. :D Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomag Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Yep, Rocky Mountain. They appear fairly hard to find though. Dont know why as theyre a cracking product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonk Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 4 pot caliper? or sliding calipers like TI? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Hancock Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Yep, Rocky Mountain. Where are they on the RM site then? as i looked last night and cant find them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOA 93 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Yep, Rocky Mountain.They appear fairly hard to find though. Dont know why as theyre a cracking product. I can only imagine that these are the ones that were designed and made by BCB Offroad in the States, before they closed for business. They were a hub conversion allowing you to use RR calipers and disc's, wasn't cheap in the States so likely to be outrageous here. AFAIK Tim Cooper sold all their designs/rights etc, so maybe someone else is making them. I think if RM were producing them they'd be making a song and dance about them. But I'm not unaccustomed to being wrong! Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 I can only imagine that these are the ones that were designed and made by BCB Offroad in the States, before they closed for business. They were a hub conversion allowing you to use RR calipers and disc's, wasn't cheap in the States so likely to be outrageous here. AFAIK Tim Cooper sold all their designs/rights etc, so maybe someone else is making them.I think if RM were producing them they'd be making a song and dance about them. But I'm not unaccustomed to being wrong! Andy I've seen the RM ones at a show and they use a vented disk and 4 pot caliper. Cant remeber if they were std rangie ones but I suspect you're right - they were the BCB design ones. I had a very long conversation with BCB about their conversions a couple of years back. Really really nice idea, but the availability was atrocious. They didn't have any and couldnt tell me when they were going to be available. Months later they still couldnt tell me when they were gonna be available........ IIRC the cost in the states was around the £1500 mark, and that was only for the conversion hubs, you still had to source disks, calipers etc. Add shipping, duty and VAT to that and it becomes a very very expensive conversion! I have to say that, to date, the BCB disc conversion is the only one I've seen commercially available that I would consider to be well engineered and fit for purpose. The zeus and TI Console/ Chris perfect ones are both just plain horrible! None of them are a cheap conversion. Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonk Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 BCB cast there own swivel housings or summat to overcome clearance issues IIRC zeus are the best of the rest cos they use a 4 pot caliper, sliding calipers i wouldn't even entertain on an offroader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltwt1981 Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Where in the engineering sense are yours, or mine for that matter? Well engineered I think but still a home brew job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonk Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 i wasn't sayin mine are necessarily better engineered, although they probably are , i just dont like sliding calipers in the mud for obvious reasons, its the price you have to pay for a bolt on kit which put me off, plus i like providing my own engineered solutions to things, gives me summat to lie awake at night thinking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltwt1981 Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Quite agree, OT but got a milling table cheap on e blag this week, works a treat and small enough to use on the lathe too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Yep - taking an angle grinder to the swivel housing to allow the calipers to clear is a bodge IMHO. There are things with my conversion I would like to have done better, but everything is a compromise, especially where cost is a concern! That said mines been on disks for about 3 years now and I've not had an ounce of trouble with them! In all that time I've only changed the pads once to boot! Jon Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOA 93 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 i wasn't sayin mine are necessarily better engineered, although they probably are , i just dont like sliding calipers in the mud for obvious reasons, its the price you have to pay for a bolt on kit which put me off, plus i like providing my own engineered solutions to things, gives me summat to lie awake at night thinking about My line of thought was to have some adaptors/spacers made to bolt the complete RR swivel hub assembly to the end of a series axle and then use the RR halfshafts as well. I didn't know then that the track rod would go through the leaf spring , however I've noticed that later coiler axles have both LHD and RHD swivel hub's with the LHD drag arm redundant, meaning you could connect them with a new track bar then run a drag link off the track bar, any reason why that wouldn't work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonk Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 you could fit your drag link to the same point as the track bar ball joint, you'd have to use rose jints though. i dont think attaching the drag link anywhere along the track bar would be strong enough, it would bow all the time you were trying to steer. you say u're planning to use rangie shafts in a series axle, too long maybe? or were you planning to shorten them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 Theres a Diahatsu track rod end that allows you to stack the rods so will allow you to do this. However the problem with doing it this way is that it does strange things to the Ackerman, which affects the handling (but dont ask me to explain it casue I dont really understand it myself!) something to do with Ackerman versus reverse ackerman or something...... Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOA 93 Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 you could fit your drag link to the same point as the track bar ball joint, you'd have to use rose jints though. i dont think attaching the drag link anywhere along the track bar would be strong enough, it would bow all the time you were trying to steer.you say u're planning to use rangie shafts in a series axle, too long maybe? or were you planning to shorten them? Firstly, I'm not planning on modding any series axles at the moment It was a lying in bed moment the spacers/adaptors would have to be as thick as the extra length of driveshaft, they would be drilled and tapped from either side to take the different bolt pattern(?) ie. series to RR. you could even offset the castor to suit your lift. I have no experience of reverse ackerman, but Bill Van Snorkel runs his this way and says it improves turn in off road, I don't think he has any issues on road either. The Daihatsu TRE is a good tip is the Taper the same? Does it sound doable? Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted November 11, 2006 Share Posted November 11, 2006 I believe the taper is the same - its a mod I've been told about by a couple of people, but I've never seen one, and I've no idea what diahatsu its off of! Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 Rocky Mountain are of their own design, not BCB. They use easily obtainable Domestic (North American) brake components machined to fit. The hard part is making the bracket to hold the caliper, they've done this nicely. I saw them when they were still in pre-production and met the guy Ray was working with to develope them. They look very easy to fit and seem to be of a good design. Rocky Mountain is at www.parabolicsprings.com Wise Owl is at www.wiseowlparts.com The brakes aren't shown on either site. I don't know why as they're supposed to be in production and seem great. Here are photos of an installation: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/rover_r_us/album?.dir=/9259 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 Sliding calipers????????? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltwt1981 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Jon I think they have to because of space limitations and the wheels. I struggled with mine to get space but got there in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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