kevin50 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) Trying to start before fitting timing belt, water pump ect just to make sure. Wouldn't Start, was turning over and chucking oil out but would not fire up. It was blowing air out of top in pic, is this normal ? Edited August 23, 2019 by kevin50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkie Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Have you checked the fuel injection pump solenoid is clicking open and that the timing is correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin50 Posted August 23, 2019 Author Share Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, monkie said: Have you checked the fuel injection pump solenoid is clicking open and that the timing is correct? I put hose for fuel IN on to the injection pump pipe is this right ? Could hear it clicking open. Or should I have put it straight to lift Pump? Edited August 23, 2019 by kevin50 Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve b Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Are the valve clearances correct ? If so it does look like the timing is not right . To check the fuel crack an injector pipe nut The oil cooler pipes need to be connected , either together or to the rad . cheers Steve b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin50 Posted August 23, 2019 Author Share Posted August 23, 2019 20 minutes ago, steve b said: Are the valve clearances correct ? If so it does look like the timing is not right . To check the fuel crack an injector pipe nut The oil cooler pipes need to be connected , either together or to the rad . cheers Steve b Thanks. Valve clearance is Ok. Should fuel be going in to injection pump or Lift Pump?? Can cooler pipes be joined together? Thanks Again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arjan Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Oil cooler pipes can be looped Fuel line from tank needs to go to the lift pump Return needs to be connected, too. Check solenoid - disconnect the fuel line from lift pump to injector pump and crank over / manually pump until fuel arrives. connect line to injector pump. Crank again. If all is set up correctly, it should start. Have done this many times. Bon Coarage ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin50 Posted August 23, 2019 Author Share Posted August 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Arjan said: Oil cooler pipes can be looped Fuel line from tank needs to go to the lift pump Return needs to be connected, too. Check solenoid - disconnect the fuel line from lift pump to injector pump and crank over / manually pump until fuel arrives. connect line to injector pump. Crank again. If all is set up correctly, it should start. Have done this many times. Bon Coarage ! Thanks. So once fuel is coming through put pipe back in to injection pipe then fire up? How do I loop pipes ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkie Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, kevin50 said: Thanks. So once fuel is coming through put pipe back in to injection pipe then fire up? How do I loop pipes ? Fuel line from the temporary tank to the lift pump to supply fuel to the injection pump, the return line should also be put in the tank as it returns a surprising amount of excess fuel back. The oil cooler pipes can be connected together so the oil flows in a loop or just refit the radiator temporarily so oil isn't pumped all over the floor wheb it fires up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin50 Posted August 23, 2019 Author Share Posted August 23, 2019 2 hours ago, monkie said: Fuel line from the temporary tank to the lift pump to supply fuel to the injection pump, the return line should also be put in the tank as it returns a surprising amount of excess fuel back. The oil cooler pipes can be connected together so the oil flows in a loop or just refit the radiator temporarily so oil isn't pumped all over the floor wheb it fires up. Cheers Will give it a go tonight. Is it normal to blow OUT of top opening circled in pic ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkie Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 hour ago, kevin50 said: Cheers Will give it a go tonight. Is it normal to blow OUT of top opening circled in pic ? I think that is why the timing and valve clearances have been questioned. You confirmed the valve clearances are okay, have you checked the timing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Sounds like valve overlap if you are puffing out of the inlet manifold. I'd suspect a broken rocker shaft. Have you removed the rocker shaft to check if it's broken ? Fractures are very fine and difficult to spot without removal. Can happen after a timing belt break, the threads in the head securing the rocker shaft studs strip and allow the shaft to move. Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Member Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Your cam timing is wrong or something is wrong in the rockers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanuki Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 The corrosion on the aluminium bits (and the rust on the out-of-focus turbo) makes me think the engine's been sat for quite a while; Where did it come from?? Do you know that it ran properly beforehand? Blowing-back through the inlet is worrying! #1 thing I'd be doing is a compression-test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin50 Posted August 23, 2019 Author Share Posted August 23, 2019 Took everyone's advice and put fuel line in Lift Pump this time, primed it until it was coming through injectors, wired it up and it Started straight away first time, Only let it run for 20 to 30 seconds as oil was teaming out again, but when I put my hand over Intake at top it was sucking air in this time really powerful. Took Rocker cover off and everything seems OK in there, so nit sure if the Problems solved as it did not puff any air out again after that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim2809 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Sounds like engine was stood a while and valve not seated correctly. After getting it to run it freed off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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