Stellaghost Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 49 minutes ago, landroversforever said: Column shaft will be steel rather than iron. Cast iron is a good bush material that wears well, Brass is probably a bit on the soft side. Cast iron is good but as stated rusts quickly, brass might be softer but let's get realistic, your not going to wear it out that quickly unless your steering wheel is made out of chain links and your driving the car 24/7. We have brass inserts and bearings at work that are operating in extreme conditions 24/7 and they last well in high temps and dusty conditions obviously with lubrication Years ago they used wood bearings with grease, not that I'm suggesting using wood...... I would state that in my opinion a steel shaft with a cast iron bearing could weld itself together with rust if there is an ingress of water and the vehicle is left standing for a wee while Regards Stephen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaghost Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 59 minutes ago, landroversforever said: Column shaft will be steel rather than iron Yes it will, but steel rusts unless it's stainless Landrover have certainly not gone to that expense... Regards Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigi_H Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 Remember the clutch pilot bush in the crankshaft. Extremely thin, but stands a long time. Best solution in my eyes is still a sealed ball bearing with distance bushes to make it fit. I can imagine, that friction is an isue in that place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzaz Posted November 2, 2023 Author Share Posted November 2, 2023 Both cast iron and brass are good bearing material. Cast iron is loaded with graphite, machining it you'll notice every where turns grey! If I had to make a bush I would probably make it bronze as it's harder than brass and wont rust. Friction should not be an issue I believe, especially if a grease point is added. However my first option is a roller bearing, the column will have some thrust acting on it and the column shaft only has a small shoulder, that would probably wear the side of the bush in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan bomber Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 Cast Iron is by far the best low speed Bearing material there is, Brass however has no bearing qualities to speak of at all.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigi_H Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 As I am not a native speaker, a definition of the terms might not be a bad idea. Cast iron is good because it has a lot of graphite and many pores for oil. Unfortunately, it rusts. Brass is unsuitable. Bearing bronze is very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzaz Posted November 3, 2023 Author Share Posted November 3, 2023 Good news, the bearing shop will be able to supply me with the bearing. Asked him to order 2 just in case! Not sure it will be a perfect fit as the dimensions are of the column is not really 22x36mm...we'll see 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 Bit of bearing fit and you'll be good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzaz Posted November 3, 2023 Author Share Posted November 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Bowie69 said: Bit of bearing fit and you'll be good Problem is the bearing is slightly oversize, the shaft is 22.2 and the housing is 35.7 The little lathe will come handy in that case! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 0.2mm sounds like interference fit, will be fine Good job finding them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigi_H Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 a 22.2 shaft into a 22.0 bearing? Good luck 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzaz Posted November 3, 2023 Author Share Posted November 3, 2023 The original bearing was marked 22/36, so I'm hoping that the ones I'm getting will be similar. 11 minutes ago, Sigi_H said: a 22.2 shaft into a 22.0 bearing? Good luck 🙄 0.2mm interference is impossible to fit, 0.02mm would be more reasonable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigi_H Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 even 0.02 mm would be hard to fit, but possible to press on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 22.2mm shaft isn't going into a 22mm bearing anytime soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan bomber Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Bowie69 said: 0.2mm sounds like interference fit, will be fine Good job finding them! .2mm or 8 thou is far to much. I generally work on 1 thou pervinch of diameter on things like bearings, crank pins, steel tyres onto wheels etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan bomber Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Sigi_H said: even 0.02 mm would be hard to fit, but possible to press on 0.02 would be about right at this size, will go on with a mallet 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigi_H Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 1 hour ago, vulcan bomber said: 0.02 would be about right at this size, will go on with a mallet one can only hope that the long part of the steering column can be removed 😉 Good luck again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan bomber Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Sigi_H said: one can only hope that the long part of the steering column can be removed 😉 Good luck again A piece of tube will be the perfect extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan bomber Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 Going on with this topic, this appears to be an issue, certainly the column on my 110 could be better... Now given my background, would people be interested if I could produce a remanufactured steering column using bearings that are readily available? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzaz Posted November 23, 2023 Author Share Posted November 23, 2023 Bearing finally arrived, the dimensions are spot on 22x36mm so the column will need some fettling to get the bearing to fit. No big deal as I got a lathe, but I think a good rub with a sandpaper will work just as well. The bearing came in a plastic bag with some chinese letters, no brand name. On the seal I can read 61904RZ JLB which could be a part no. However a google search gave me a bearing 20x37x9mm which it is surely not! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurbie Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 46 minutes ago, muzaz said: Bearing finally arrived, the dimensions are spot on 22x36mm so the column will need some fettling to get the bearing to fit. No big deal as I got a lathe, but I think a good rub with a sandpaper will work just as well. The bearing came in a plastic bag with some chinese letters, no brand name. On the seal I can read 61904RZ JLB which could be a part no. However a google search gave me a bearing 20x37x9mm which it is surely not! using google translate , the chinese caracters say : " bearing" so not much use .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzaz Posted November 23, 2023 Author Share Posted November 23, 2023 1 hour ago, hurbie said: using google translate , the chinese caracters say : " bearing" so not much use .... Yep, not much help! Says JLB on the seal, google says it's a bearing company...all in chinese tho! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurbie Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, muzaz said: Yep, not much help! Says JLB on the seal, google says it's a bearing company...all in chinese tho! and only a telefonenumber , not even a e-mail adress .... and my chinese is not so good , so i don't intend calling them 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6 pot Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 I found this any good? https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/22-36-9-5mm-DGX253-CH_1600460590484.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurbie Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 1 hour ago, 6 pot said: I found this any good? https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/22-36-9-5mm-DGX253-CH_1600460590484.html after some searching , i found a contact adress , so i'll ask them if they can supply the correct size . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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