landybear Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Gents and Ladies, Just wondering what set up folks have for their vehicles. I have a pretty much bog standard trcuk which i have had for a month and need some recovery points for the front as i have my first P&P in a couple of weeks. Anything i can do with the bumper IF the spreader plate is thick and big enough or will that still deform. What about a steering guard with intergral eyes are these man enough?? if so any makes and models?? I have a dixon bate at rear which is a plough i know but it will have to do for now!! Many thanks for your help in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandyManLuke Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 JATE rings are probably the easiest recovery points to add, though make sure you connect your strop/rope/birdle/etc before getting stuck in mud.... Steering guards with recovery eyes put the eye in a better place, I have a welded steel guards with eyes on the 90. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 or 2 x Series 3 D rings on top of the bumper, but I'd go with JATE rings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 This will be the second time I have posted this picture this evening, but hey... I would say that D-rings are a good option as well. They mean you don't have to go grockling around underneath when you are stuck up to your bumper in mud. I would be inclined to use a bridle with them though.. hth Mark damn you ralph, getting there before me... :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landybear Posted July 31, 2007 Author Share Posted July 31, 2007 Excellent thanks chaps, with JATE rings would it be best to use a bridle?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Neale Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Excellent thanks chaps, with JATE rings would it be best to use a bridle?? Yes. Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dew110CSW Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Mine seems to work nicely off just the front tow bar - the one occasion it's had to be towed that stood up well to the job and got it out of trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landybear Posted July 31, 2007 Author Share Posted July 31, 2007 Can i simply replace the original lashing eyes on the front of the 90 with the JATES or do you manufacture your own holes??? sorry for the newbie q's!! Many thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Excellent thanks chaps, with JATE rings would it be best to use a bridle?? Yep not less than 2 metres long with 3.25 tonne or 4.75tonne rated shackles for attachment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landybear Posted July 31, 2007 Author Share Posted July 31, 2007 and the actual JATE ring attachment?? Through original lashing holes?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromit Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 and the actual JATE ring attachment?? Through original lashing holes?? Yep, Just remove the lashing points and bolts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 and the actual JATE ring attachment?? Through original lashing holes?? yep, the genuine jate rings are forged in one piece others are welded bar/side plates, get the genuine ones if poss, RRC3237 & matching bolts/nuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 yep, the genuine jate rings are forged in one piece others are welded bar/side plates, get the genuine ones if poss, RRC3237 & matching bolts/nuts JATE rings are easy to fit and effective, I have them front and rear. I agree with Western, it's worth paying extra for the genuine parts. Phil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandyManLuke Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Yep not less than 2 metres long with 3.25 tonne or 4.75tonne rated shackles for attachment 3m is a lot better length. this length pulls more, and squeezes the chassis rails less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8CAMEL Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 i thought d rings were for lifting ie underneath a helichopper not for recovery. Pulling at on forwards on them would put disproportionate strain on the rear pair of bolts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromit Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Excellent thanks chaps, with JATE rings would it be best to use a bridle?? I've never used a strop as a bridle, but can see the advantages. If you use a bridle across the 2 recovery rings, how is the recovery rope attached to the bridle? With a shackle? Just thinking in terms of where the shackle goes when it breaks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 i thought d rings were for lifting ie underneath a helichopper not for recovery. Pulling at on forwards on them would put disproportionate strain on the rear pair of bolts D-Rings are fine for recovery, and are sold as such by the likes of David Bowyer. The lifting rings for slinging undeneath a helicopter look like this: ...and are definitely NOT for use as recovery points. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandyManLuke Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 I've never used a strop as a bridle, but can see the advantages.If you use a bridle across the 2 recovery rings, how is the recovery rope attached to the bridle? With a shackle? Just thinking in terms of where the shackle goes when it breaks I just pass the strop through the eye of the tow rope, before shackling the ends to the recovery points. No extra link, no extra weight to go anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 I've just fitted one of the Rebel 4x4 steering guards with the towing eyes on the front and it is good (and I think it will be fairly strong - the side brackets/eyes are laser cut out of 10mm plate) but they are about half an inch too far in to get a full sized shackle in the hole, it will go in but if you pulled hard any anything other than the straight ahead position the shackle would jam on the guard or chassis leg and exert all sorts of nasty forces Haven't tried a 3.25T shackle yet but I think that is what I will have to use. Doesn't bother me anyway as I usually loop a (suitably protected) rope over the bumper... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landybear Posted August 1, 2007 Author Share Posted August 1, 2007 Excellent folks, great advice, i like LandyManLukes method of the strop through the tow rope. No more shackles to worry about. You could use a shackle in this case though couldnt you?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandyManLuke Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 If you use a shackle, you're adding another link to the line, which is adding a potential failure point. The fact that the failure point is a big lump of metal is not good, especially if it goes airbourne towards a vehicle, or person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diff Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Please, never use a shackle to join a bridle to a tow rope for offroad recovery. Pass the bridle through the loop of the tow rope as described earlier. Similarly, never join ropes together using shackles for offroad recovery. There are lots of threads on safe recovery practices, methods of joining ropes etc. if you do a search. Regards, Diff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddballrovers Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Excellent folks, great advice, i like LandyManLukes method of the strop through the tow rope. No more shackles to worry about. You could use a shackle in this case though couldnt you?? Hi Landybear In Dk the type as on the litle pic is quite popular a bit expencive but works very very well and come in different sizes, the are use on payloaders, and diggers. We do weld the to a picce off 3/8 drill 4 holes one in each corner the two off them line up with the ones that holds the bumper the two others goes just through the bumper in front off the others. Kindregards Ole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 I've never used a strop as a bridle, but can see the advantages.If you use a bridle across the 2 recovery rings, how is the recovery rope attached to the bridle? With a shackle? Just thinking in terms of where the shackle goes when it breaks like this [how I rig my KERR on the rear of my 110, the strop at the nato hitch is to prevent the ker from flying about if it broke, doesn't play any other part in the recovery process] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Hmm I'd do it the other way round (NATO hitch takes the load, JATE rings for backup) but it's a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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