s2hotdog Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 What do you lot think I'm on the point of buying a new set of wheels and tyres and trying to decide what to do Cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Tubeless! Ignore anyone that says otherwise - they are aliens! Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Off Road ? Tubes Nige PS thats helped after Les H comment eh ?...balanced forum this is old chap eh ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s2hotdog Posted October 26, 2005 Author Share Posted October 26, 2005 to be expected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 See what I mean. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 K Tubes in OSF and NSR, no tubes in NSF and OSR best of both worlds, quality option Happy with that Les ? Sorted Wibble, nannu nannu Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Bluddy wierdo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Charming. The voices in my head say "Ignore him and eat your Guinness & Whiskers" Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 'Whiskas' I think actually. (only intelligent people use the word 'actually' Les. IQ140 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 (only intelligent people use the word 'actually' Les. IQ140 Les, When you decide to take the P make sure of yer brackets old chap (only intelligent people use the word 'actually' ) Les IQ14.0 Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 I only used an open bracket to indicate that my comment was still open to comment! Les. (The Running Man) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Tubeless in all mine, don't like tubes any more and anyway they cost money, why spend £££ putting a tube in a tyre that is already airtight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Steve, True, But you don't have tress and stuff that when you winch in and out / drive / get dragged out, a bit of "siomething" is stuffed tight between your rim and the tyre wall edge, no tubes equals flat tyre, tubes equals get home I have lost count of the number of times I have cleaned the 90 / Hybrid and gone "Ooooo" better get THAT out of there ! Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paradigm shift Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 This is a good question actually. I have tubes on the 110 currently and hate them. It may just be my skanky rims but the tube is always getting caught on something and punctured. Have had more flats on that car than any other because of it so I was going to go tubeless when the tyres need changing. The point about stuff getting stuck in them offroad is an interesting one though. Surely with a tubed tyre there isn't as much pressure holding the tyre against the rim as there is with a tubeless one so therefore it's easier for things to get wedged? Who knows, my knowledge is somewhat limited to daft sports cars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Tubes - easier / cheaper to put a new toob in than buy a new tyre when some piece of the countryside pierces it. On a long journey/expedition you can carry multiple spare tubes, but carrying more than 1 spare tyre gets a bit heavy! Only caveat is use good quality (michelin?) tubes as the cheap ones do exactly what paradigm_shift just said, and they abrade on the inside of the tyre if it's not nice and smooth (eg not designed for tubes). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 But you don't have tress and stuff that when you winch in and out / drive / get dragged out, a bit of "siomething" is stuffed tight between your rim and the tyre wall edge, no tubes equals flat tyre, tubes equals get home I have lost count of the number of times I have cleaned the 90 / Hybrid and gone "Ooooo" better get THAT out of there ! Whenever I have changed tyres recently I have always noticed sh&& buildup between the tyre and the rim but it's never caused an unscheduled flat yet. The reason I like tubeless is because I drive mine on the road and with tubeless tyres, unless you stick a big sharp rock through it, they deflate fairly slowly, whereas tubes are more of a "bangpshhhhhhhwubblewubblewubblewubblewubblescreeeeeeeeechSHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIcrash!!!" experience when it happens at speed For a pure off road vehicle which is not going to be used on the road I guess you could go either way and with v low pressures tubes are definitely better (though interesting to note that the Icelandic boys who use probably the lowest pressures of anybody, don't seem to use tubes - they just have a can of lighter fuel and a match on hand B) ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robhybrid Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 When I run off road tubeless if the tyre comes off the bead I can blow it back up sometimes with the help of a ratchet strap. When I travel home afterwards I have been known to have wheel vibration due to dirt in the tyre knocking it out of balance, When I get home I knock it off the bead and wash it out. When tubed tyres are run at low pressure off road the tube gets damaged and you cant blow it back up. I have heard of tubes having their valves torn off when the tyre slips on the rim whilst running at low pressure. I prefer to run tubeless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M005 Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 I would have said tubeless, as why put tubes in tyres designed to be tubeless. However, after every 'serious' offroad session (last one was Tony's B'day challenge) I end up with at least one slow puncture caused by carp between the bead & rim - and thats without dropping pressures at all. I have had the OSR taken off the rim twice and cleaned and I still have a slow puncture (no other hole can be found) so am considering getting a tube put in it, assuming no issues with running 1 out of 4 with a tube? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s2hotdog Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 I think tubeless for me ......... that s what bronco are offering anyway Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbocharger Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 I've had three sets of Broncos and their carcasses don't take tubes well - one morning I didn't spot a rim was on the floor (I'm dopey before my breakfast) and managed quarter of a mile before realising I had a problem and had to walk back to find my wheelbrace... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 I've had three sets of Broncos and their carcasses don't take tubes well [wind up Bronco users] The Broncos I've seen don't take treads too well either [/wind up Bronco users] (now frantically jumping up and down on the lid of the can of worms erupting into this thread....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 Bronco Dirt Devils as fitted to catflap (when he was a 109) Good grip off road, wear out really quickly, but side wall perishing became too dangerous while there was still plenty of tread left. I understand the grizzly claw is a better tyre. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 That's quite a scary photo Les , how deep are those cracks? the ones I had seen only had tread separation, not breaking up like that! Yes, I understand that the newer Broncs are made in a completely different factory (same as Colway or something?) and presumably these days with BS and European regulations coming out of our ears that cover everything else, you can no longer sell tyres that fall to bits anyway. Mind you certain manufacturers still sell vehicles that fall to bits so who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbocharger Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 The Broncos I've seen don't take treads too well either Let's just say I've had three sets, not worn three sets out. You know that sound of gravel and stones hitting the rear wheelboxes ... ? I was never quite sure they were stones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soutie Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 I would say go tubeless. Drove across africa with tubes. 13 puntures in 5 months. Worst was 3 in one day. Switched to tubeless when Arrived in SA before touring SA and Nambia. another 3 months touring with lots of nasty dirt roads that took chuncks out of the new tyres, however no puntures. Out of the 13 puntures 10 where from the rust particles from the wheel rim wearing through the tube, 1 nail and two thorns. Tubeless would get my vote. My onboard compresser can pop a wheel back on the rim, so go tubeless and upgrade your compressor. I did carry tubes for the last couple of months as back up if the worst did come to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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