stobbie Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 Hi, I can buy a 1999 LR90 TD5, it has been under water. Only to the level of the seatbases. They have removed the ECU and opened it and it is broken. They say they have tried the car with a replacement ECU and it was running fine. What sort of problems cab I expect if I'll buy this car, will it just be this ECU (ofcourse I can't read the injectorcodes from the old ECU because it's broken) or will there be a lot of other problems like gearbox, clutch, other electrics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 If the engine has ingested water and the previous owner has attempted to drive it then one could reasonably expect to find bent con rods. Unless YOU have seen the car running with a replacement ECU I would avoid it. Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stobbie Posted December 16, 2007 Author Share Posted December 16, 2007 Yes, water in the engine was what I am affraid off. But if I'll buy the car I'll let him put on the invoice that there's no engine damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8 Freak Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 I'd not buy until you see it running. Just word on paper are not going to be your guarantee in a private purchase. I agree totally with Mo on this one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stobbie Posted December 16, 2007 Author Share Posted December 16, 2007 it's not a private sale, I own a land rover business and I am buying from a damaged car sales company. Will it run on a random ECU to test if the motor is ok, without any programming? i.e. can I just take an ecu out of a discovery and try it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest diesel_jim Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 it's not a private sale, I own a land rover business and I am buying from a damaged car sales company.Will it run on a random ECU to test if the motor is ok, without any programming? i.e. can I just take an ecu out of a discovery and try it? Porny will be your man on this one! but i don't think a disco ECU will run with a defender, and either way, it certainly won't run just by plugging it in, you'll need to change the alarm codes to suit the defender. I think, from what he's said (Ian = Porny) that the engine will run with the wrong injector codes, just not very well. the codes are on the top oif each injector, its a 5 digit letter code, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porny Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 Porny will be your man on this one! but i don't think a disco ECU will run with a defender, and either way, it certainly won't run just by plugging it in, you'll need to change the alarm codes to suit the defender.I think, from what he's said (Ian = Porny) that the engine will run with the wrong injector codes, just not very well. the codes are on the top oif each injector, its a 5 digit letter code, As Jamie has stated.... not just a case of plugging a replacement ECU in.... Although not ideal, any Td5 ECU (disco or defender spec) will run any Td5 engine - however the ECU needs to be coded to the Defender's 10AS alarm unit. (unless you have one of my 'special' ECU's that have all the alarm/immo set-up removed!!! ) In the actual car, running a Disco spec ECU on a Defender (for example) will cause numerous faults - and cause the temp gauge to work the wrong way round. The engine will run with the wrong injector codes, but as mentioned not the best - but OK for a trial. The other interesting factor.... does the Defender come with Keys and Alarm fob (depending on which state the 10AS unit is set to)?? If the key and fobs are missing (and the car is set to see them) not just a case of hotwiring the ignition. (not hard to get around though - have done this a few times lol) Any where near the Midlands(ish) and I could lend a hand if needed. The other helpful thing would be to plug diagnostic kit in when (and if) the engine is running and have a look at the cylinder compensation and a couple of other things. Also.... Just re-read your post: They say they have tried the car with a replacement ECU and it was running fine They either have diagnostic kit, a spare ECU and a matching 10AS unit - or are lying lol Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stobbie Posted December 16, 2007 Author Share Posted December 16, 2007 Any where near the Midlands(ish) and I could lend a hand if needed. Thanks, but I live in the Netherlands :-) They either have diagnostic kit, a spare ECU and a matching 10AS unit - or are lying lol Ian That's the first thing I thought, but I don't know too much about these electronics, so I wasn't sure. I know a TD5 specialist here in Holland, unfortunately he's far away from me. Maybe I can ask him to program a NNN*** ECU without the alarm to test the engine, or better, maybe he could come to me to view the car... It is rather cheap though, and it's a very very nice CSW, and I do have a spare engine laying around here...(as a spare for my own disco).. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porny Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 I know a TD5 specialist here in Holland, unfortunately he's far away from me. Maybe I can ask him to program a NNN*** ECU without the alarm to test the engine, or better, maybe he could come to me to view the car... You can't program any Td5 ECU without the Alarm or Immobilser.... You need an extra little bit of kit to do that. The ECU basically looks to either the 10AS alarm ECU or the Disco BCU for a code... if the code it sends back is the same as the one stored in the ECU the car will be allowed to start. If its not, the engine will run for two seconds (if that) and cut out. You can not - using 'any' diagnostic kit - stop the ECU doing this.... I can though One way around that is to take along a matched Engine ECU and a 10AS unit, then just swap the ones on the car for your matched pair. You could get your mate to set the 10AS alarm ECU into it's most basic state - that way, if the Defender doesn't have keys you can just hotwire it. Thanks, but I live in the Netherlands :-) Isn't far on a plane lol.... have travelled to Greece for someone in the past.... Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 Seawater or fresh and for how long was it under? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stobbie Posted December 16, 2007 Author Share Posted December 16, 2007 Fresh water I think, I'm going back to them tomorrow to get more details.. I think the keys are available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 What sort of problems cab I expect if I'll buy this car, will it just be this ECU (ofcourse I can't read the injectorcodes from the old ECU because it's broken) or will there be a lot of other problems like gearbox, clutch, other electrics? gearbox and T box and axles if poor seals or no breathers. How long was it in water? silty or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj_110 Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 if it wa sonly in the seatbox then i doubt that it got inside the engine as the air intake is a bit higher. im in the salvage and busines smyself and on water damaged cars on oil change is obligatory. i regularly sink my td5 with water all teh way up2 the dash and its srunning fine. the breathers r extended i got a snorkel and moved the ecu, but all the rest in teh car is ok with water really... even my velocity 140 sub mounted in teh erear footwell... JJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj_110 Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 oh and on the ecu. as mentioned previous if the immobiliser is programmed out of the new ecu then it shoudl just start. i have had it a few times no wthat we didnt even need 2 programme the inhectors after fitting a new ecu. JJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon W Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 But when the water gets to your already raised ecu, you get problems don't you jj. But WD40 does work wonders just like on a V8. Back on topic. Is this salvage vehicle, from flood damage. Was it flooded so parked up when the water damage occured, as in not running, as there is likely to be less damage to the engine. Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj_110 Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 But when the water gets to your already raised ecu, you get problems don't you jj. But WD40 does work wonders just like on a V8.Back on topic. Is this salvage vehicle, from flood damage. Was it flooded so parked up when the water damage occured, as in not running, as there is likely to be less damage to the engine. Jon yes but thats another story... i shall further waterproof that little box a trix 4 the rematch with the puddle hahaha JJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Projectblue Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 it's not a private sale, I own a land rover business and I am buying from a damaged car sales company. Then why on earth are you asking us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stobbie Posted December 17, 2007 Author Share Posted December 17, 2007 Then why on earth are you asking us? Because I'm used to buying and selling early one-ten's (see my website in Holland One-Ten Land Rovers) and these don't have fancy Ecu's and stuff, I'm also not used to buying damaged cars (other than rust damage ) I don't know what has happened to this car and how long and it what kind of water this has been, I hope to have enough time today to go view it again and ask them some more questions about it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gruntus Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Because I'm used to buying and selling early one-ten's (see my website in Holland One-Ten Land Rovers) and these don't have fancy Ecu's and stuff, I'm also not used to buying damaged cars (other than rust damage )I don't know what has happened to this car and how long and it what kind of water this has been, I hope to have enough time today to go view it again and ask them some more questions about it! I wasn't expecting the tune! sitting at work and thought I would go to the link and lo and behold some classy dutch music fired across the office! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GBMUD Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Is there anything worse then websites that play music? Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Projectblue Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Is there anything worse then websites that play music? Chris Yes, Traders who make a profit plundering the knowledge of those who give it to a community for free (mention no names sting in the tail). However, as he is Dutch and therefore a cool person, I'm inclined to forgive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stobbie Posted December 18, 2007 Author Share Posted December 18, 2007 Well I have bought the car for a good price (I hope). Didn't have time to collect it yet, I'm travelling between Holland and the UK this week. Today London, Tomorrow and Thursday around Liverpool. I've taken the ECU already and sent it to my td5 expert, he is going to try to repair the old one.... I'll keep you informed on the progress. Is there anything worse then websites that play music? Chris I agree most of the times, still I wanted music on this one. But it can be turned off! Yes, Traders who make a profit plundering the knowledge of those who give it to a community for free (mention no names sting in the tail). However, as he is Dutch and therefore a cool person, I'm inclined to forgive I'm only a very small trader, since only one year. Started as a hobby, so didn't start it for the money or something (ofcourse nowadays have to make some money on it, it takes 100 hours a week and I have to eat.. ) My Land Rover hobby started just 4 years ago, so I'm learning every day. A lot on dutch forums, but I also read this one almost every day. Didn't post too much myself yet. But one day I'm an expert too, and may be able to post some usefull info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Stobbie The opinions of Dave PB aren't the same for all forum users. I'd personally ignore such negativity and enjoy the majority of helpful opinions. Dave PB unlike you to not give people a fair go. apart from scrapiron who deserve what they get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stobbie Posted December 29, 2007 Author Share Posted December 29, 2007 I have the TD5 here now! I also have a brand new NNN ECU here. I'm just waiting for my Nanocom (Paddockspares is closed until januari ) I just plugged in my new ECU to see what happened, I didn't expect the car to start without programming the ECU. When I turn on the ignition I only here a lot of clicking noises from the ECU (or the relais near the ecu) and the check engine and hazard lights warning lights keep flashing. Is this normal behaviour when plugging in a non programmed ECU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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