simon red90 Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 currently running gwyn lewis challenge suspension, which i'm really pleased with. up untill sunday i've never had a problem with the rear springs relocating. they hook up then slide back in. but now a few times the spring somehow comes off the end. i'm thinking of changing to mount the springs solid on the spring hangars and having relocation "cones" on the axle. any suggestions? cheers. si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 currently running gwyn lewis challenge suspension, which i'm really pleased with. up untill sunday i've never had a problem with the rear springs relocating. they hook up then slide back in. but now a few times the spring somehow comes off the end.i'm thinking of changing to mount the springs solid on the spring hangars and having relocation "cones" on the axle. any suggestions? cheers. si FWIW thats what I have now, tried your way had the same issues (albeit with Homemade kit) and found the axle mounted 100% OK Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wailofthesnail Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 currently running gwyn lewis challenge suspension, which i'm really pleased with. up untill sunday i've never had a problem with the rear springs relocating. they hook up then slide back in. but now a few times the spring somehow comes off the end.cheers. si Hi Si, The spring hasn't rotated on the seat has it? this may have put the closed coils where the hook grabs it and cause it to miss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon red90 Posted January 1, 2008 Author Share Posted January 1, 2008 Hi Si,The spring hasn't rotated on the seat has it? this may have put the closed coils where the hook grabs it and cause it to miss? probably, the spring is not tight clamped down. but even if it has to be in a particular position, not so impressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveG Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 I like the rest of Gwyn's kit, but not keen on the rear spring locators. In use, by hooking the spring they actually stop the axle articulating and defeat the object of putting on the rear shock mounts and longer shocks. I would recommend X-Springs, they will maximise your articulation and solve you locations probs. Cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex_mod_90 Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 I run Gwyns kit, and I havent had any issues with the springs relocating. I do know that the spring has to be in a certain position to be certain that the spring slides down the cone and catches on the hook. I dont run Gwyns OME springs I run I think 764's which are slightly softer, and arent progressive. I kind of agree with the hook limiting travel to a certain extent, however judging by the compression on the opposite spring I cant see that it can go much further. Rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 I use the bottom ones on my home made setup, as you can se i am not lacking in travel and have never ever had any problems, with relocation. will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yella 90 Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 I run Gwyns kit, and I havent had any issues with the springs relocating. I do know that the spring has to be in a certain position to be certain that the spring slides down the cone and catches on the hook. I dont run Gwyns OME springs I run I think 764's which are slightly softer, and arent progressive.I kind of agree with the hook limiting travel to a certain extent, however judging by the compression on the opposite spring I cant see that it can go much further. Rich. how ever you are lacking a land rover eh will i use reverse location, and find it much better than the conventional way si dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honitonhobbit Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Must admit that since I swapped to reverse re-location it's all much easier and quieter - however if X-eng had been doing the x-spring back when I changed I would have gone dwon that route because when you compare Si's system with simple dislocation you can how much better it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clbarclay Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 I'm another with 100% reliable home made bottom relocation cones and gwyn lweis ish rear suspension. All it takes is a few short lengths of bar welded to the spring seats plus a couple of lengths of flat with a pair of holes through them and nuts/bolts to clamp the top of the spring. I haven't studied the gwyn lewis setup too closely, but have seen one land rover with the full kit lose a rear spring when trying to reverse out of a gully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nas90 Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 I use the bottom ones on my home made setup, as you can se i am not lacking in travel and have never ever had any problems, with relocation. will. But Will there is no load on the offside wheel, it will not give any traction. The problem with dislocation is why the hell do it I have the X spring set-up on the nas and although I am still playing, trying, testing and modding it is proving to be one hell of a good system and when the second spring emerges I have enough load for the wheel to grip I'll get me coat now whilst you all grumble and get your slide rules out and your anoraks...................................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon red90 Posted January 3, 2008 Author Share Posted January 3, 2008 all in favour of the X springs then it seems. think i'll make a reverse relocation set up then when i've got a few quid spare i'll look at the x-eng kit. cheers. si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 But Will there is no load on the offside wheel, it will not give any traction.The problem with dislocation is why the hell do it I have the X spring set-up on the nas and although I am still playing, trying, testing and modding it is proving to be one hell of a good system and when the second spring emerges I have enough load for the wheel to grip I'll get me coat now whilst you all grumble and get your slide rules out and your anoraks...................................... Quite right to a point , you do get more grip, maybe not as much as with the x springs, however the motor is far more stable and doesnt bang and crash from one obstical to another. If i could afford X-springs then i'd have them but i am a yorkshireman . will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clbarclay Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 But Will there is no load on the offside wheel, it will not give any traction.The problem with dislocation is why the hell do it Close but no cigar, you are forgetting about cohesive traction which in the basic sense has little to do with the load on the wheel*. In mud and on soft ground most of the traction is generated by the tyres is due to cohesion rather than friction. On had ground and sand it is a different matter though most of the off roading in the UK is mud plugging. *some load is required to deform the tyre and create a contact patch Longer softer springs would be better, though dislocating is better than non dislocating if using the same springs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoDino Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Not going to add fuel to the retained/floating argument...but after 9 years of being floating (RTE cones from the US), I went retained this summer and PREFER it a LOT... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon red90 Posted January 7, 2008 Author Share Posted January 7, 2008 Not going to add fuel to the retained/floating argument...but after 9 years of being floating (RTE cones from the US), I went retained this summer and PREFER it a LOT... by retained you mean? si. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discojmz Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Si, was it you having to be shaken vigorously at kirton on sunday 30th then? Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoDino Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 by retained you mean?si. yeah, prefer retained by far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon red90 Posted January 8, 2008 Author Share Posted January 8, 2008 Si, was it you having to be shaken vigorously at kirton on sunday 30th then?Jim yep. was indeed me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wailofthesnail Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Si, was it you having to be shaken vigorously at kirton on sunday 30th then?Jim Having seen the photographic evidence I can confirm that he was "shaken not stirred" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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