Over to Ralph in the studio

[Mo Murphy]

Ralph,

I have a little challenge for you

I need the part no of the fuel pick up/ sender assy in a ROW 300 Tdi with the TD5 rear tank. They don't use an in tank fuel pump as the 300 has the lift pump.

I can't find the flippin' bit in microcat. A assy drawing would be handy if you could oblige

TIA

Mo

[TJ101]

Trying to get a tad more range are we Mo ??

[Mo Murphy]

Just a tad Tim

[western]

Can't find ant Td5 tank without the in tank pump digrams in EPC, & don't have Microcat on the laptop, Can't check big PC as I'm not at home till monday evening. Sorry

[David Sparkes]

I've got M'cat, but don't know Defenders, or what is 'normal' for ROW 300 TDi's or Td5's.

Can you suggest a VIN range that covers what you want? The first two letters would probably be enough, (WA, XA, etc).

Cheers

[Guest diesel_jim]

Looks like the rear mounted plastic Td5 type tank does have an in built pump for the Tdi models....

part # WQB100430

tank part # WHK100040

the 110 Tdi and 90 Tdi plastic tank'd vehicles have different part numbers respectively, and it's a different number (and not described as such) as a Td5 too.

Give bogmonster a holler, see if he can hear a pump buzzing on his RoW 110 Tdi

[western]

That was my conclusion too.

[Mo Murphy]

Morning chaps, I'd already spoken to Stephen who was of the opinion that a pump was not fitted, that a pick up and and float assembly was.

wkw 90 on here has a td5 90 tank for his petrol v8. That has no wiring for a pump only for the guage. This was done by a previous owner so he doesn't know what is in there.

Would a lift or electric pump suck fuel through a dead ie. unpowered in-tank pump. I'm skeptical but am willing to be put right

Mo

[western]

doubt a external pump would pull fuel through a in tank dead pump, simply because the dead pumps rotors would obstruct the fuel flow. A pre-TD5 spill return pipe that fits in the top of the tank might work though.

[Scotian]

For about 3 years I pulled fuel through a dead pump. Then when I got out here in Romania (not sure if the driving to Romania had anything to do with it) i suddenly startedhaving fuel starvation problems. removed the dead intank pump and all was good.

[BogMonster]

Looks like the rear mounted plastic Td5 type tank does have an in built pump for the Tdi models....

part # WQB100430

the 110 Tdi and 90 Tdi plastic tank'd vehicles have different part numbers respectively, and it's a different number (and not described as such) as a Td5 too.

Give bogmonster a holler, see if he can hear a pump buzzing on his RoW 110 Tdi

I think you will simply find that, as is often the case with Microcrap, the picture is just wrong...

I am pretty certain that what is described as a "pump" with the part number, is just a plate with pickup and return pipes running through it, much like on the old ones but with the correct physical fitting to go into the top of the Td5 type plastic tank, and with the sender unit fitted, so it is not actually a "pump".

Of course as this never goes wrong, we never take the tanks out of any of the later 300Tdis, unlike the Td5 tanks which have to come out quite often but I think I have seen one taken out of a crashed vehicle once.

The VIN number will not help as Microcat is not very selective in its information, but any VIN between XA159807 and 6A something or other "could" be a 300Tdi ROW derivative.

[Mo Murphy]

Thanks gentlemen, I now have something to work on

Mo

[Godlykepower]

Er, exscuse my ignorance......but is this a way of fitting an EXTRA fuel tank?? For London to Cape Town I obviously need to consider an auxillary fuel tank.....but they are really pricey!! If this IS a way of fitting an extra tank......would it be more cost beneficial to me to do this TD5 tank thing or not???

......and......er......um.......er.......what does RoW stand for?

Martin

[TJ101]

......and......er......um.......er.......what does RoW stand for?

Martin

Rest Of World

[TJ101]

Mo,,

Years ago, to get a few more miles range out of the rally van, we fitted a extra tank, with a small 12v fuel pump, and just transferred from the extra, to the main tank, !! must be a easier way to do it

[Godlykepower]

Rest Of World

Huh?? Whats all that about then??

[muddy]

Never mind all this float malarky, have we actully got ralph stumped on a part no.???!!?!?!?!

If this is the case then surley this post needs to go in the tech archive

godlykepower row spec motors are ones that do not have to conform to european regulations such as ones sold in south africa, often td5 vehicles with a tdi instead of the td5 if you catch my drift.

Will.

[Godlykepower]

row spec motors are ones that do not have to conform to european regulations such as ones sold in south africa, often td5 vehicles with a tdi instead of the td5 if you catch my drift

I think I must be having a "thick" day......I dont get your drift really!

I understand not having to conform to EU standards....safety standards I presume?....but not sure about this TD5 with a TDi bit? Why is this beneficial to anyone to claim one thing when its another? Insurance/valuation/financial implications????

Sorry if I AM being uber-thick.....might understans it tomorrow!!

[muddy]

The td5 was only* developed to meat new emission laws within the EU, so because countries outside the EU dont have these laws and the inhabitants usualy prefer mechanical stuff over eleckytronics the defenders came with the tdi for those buyers.

* i think although i could be talking rubbish.

[Guest diesel_jim]

I think I must be having a "thick" day......I dont get your drift really!

I understand not having to conform to EU standards....safety standards I presume?....but not sure about this TD5 with a TDi bit? Why is this beneficial to anyone to claim one thing when its another? Insurance/valuation/financial implications????

Sorry if I AM being uber-thick.....might understans it tomorrow!!

I think it mainly relates to emmisions (hence why Bogmonster can have a "new" 2007 110 fitted with a 300Tdi, whereas we have to have the euro3 Td5) and possibly some safety features.

countries that are gullible enought to sign up to european draconian laws that dictate to the tax payer what they can and can't do in their own lives that aren't in the EU aren't subject to these legalities.

the Falklands are one such place, as is Gibraltar, Africa (bits of i think), Switzerland? Monaco?

if you look at Witham SV whi specialise in ex military stuff, you'll see that they sell brand new defenders with 300Tdi's, but in the print at the bottom of the page, they're only available to non EU countries, as they don't meet current standards. which will be the emmisions (300Tdi is euro1 i think, whereas Td5 is euro3, and the new Tdci is euro 4 or 5)

[Mo Murphy]

And of course the 300 tdis are in current vehicles so they have all else that a TD5 would have.

Martin,

I'm fitting an extra tank (a standard TD5 90 one) to the rear of my 90 for our trip next year. It is not a bolt in job unfortunately, you need to fabricate and weld brackets to the rear of the chassis, you need to modify the rear crossmember for clearance, you need to sort out a fuel filler in the same place as a TD5 so that you can use the standard parts, you have to find a way of getting it out of the tank (hence my question) and you have to find a way of switching between tanks. The benefits are that you can have an extra fuel tank in your 90 using standard land rover parts It's just the footwork involved that makes it hard work.

Tim,

There's no rush, I would like to switch between tanks electrically (flow and gauge) so I'll have to find an electrically operated changeover switch with extra terminals to switch the gauge wires as well. Anyone any ideas ?

Cheers

Mo

[wkw90]

Mo next time your round here just take my tank apart and have a look

[Mo Murphy]

I think it's going to come to that, Paul I think Stephen is right and there may be a part number on the pick up assembly to confirm it.

Mo

[wkw90]

Bring your own tool box Mo cos i can't find anything in mine

[Guest diesel_jim]

Tim,

There's no rush, I would like to switch between tanks electrically (flow and gauge) so I'll have to find an electrically operated changeover switch with extra terminals to switch the gauge wires as well. Anyone any ideas ?

Cheers

Mo

maybe a couple of these?

one for "flow", one for "return" and if you used a carling type switch, on-on, with double pole, you could use the second set of switch contacts to change the guage feed?