RichardAllen Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 I want to make some low strength ratchet strap fixing points. For each fixing point, the plan is to form a tab each end of a short (50mm) length of round mild steel bar by simple hammering. The tabs will then be punched, drilled and rivetted into place. I could do the hammering hot or cold, but getting my heating kit out of storage will be a pain. My question is whether it is very much easier to hammer form mild steel when heated bright red, or whether cold forming is easy enough ? (I do have a chunky bit of 50mm steel to use as an anvil.) Regards Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cieranc Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Hot hot hot all the way. So much easier. Cold, you'll need an anvil and the more you hit it, the less it flattens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejparrott Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Having done my fair share of blacksmithing work, i can tell you without doubt that cold will not work, nor will a 50mm piece of bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Hancock Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Hot for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardAllen Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 Thanks to all, a trip to storage it is. regards Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrfarmer Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 hot you shouldn't even need a hammer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguevogue Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 hot you shouldn't even need a hammer Excuse my innocence, i'm a bit green about this kind of thing. Can you explain the method for doing this without a hammer, I don't have one but would love to be able to do this type of job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejparrott Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 I was wondering too...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrfarmer Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 with out a hammer wouldn't work on the bit of bar he's wanting to bend only works if the plate isn't to thick (didn't read the post proply ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoltan Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Excuse my innocence, i'm a bit green about this kind of thing. Can you explain the method for doing this without a hammer, I don't have one but would love to be able to do this type of job. Chuck Norris would just stare at it and it would flatten itself through fear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluespanner Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 50mm long? Thats going to be a PITA to work with, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardAllen Posted November 4, 2009 Author Share Posted November 4, 2009 I was thinking that. Unfortunately I can only use 20mm wide ratchet straps (they are for holding closed a fold-down gas cooker on the rear door) so the fixing points should not be that much wider. I am hoping a pair of molegrips, propane torch and ball/pein hammer should do the job. I'll keep you all posted. Regards Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejparrott Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Use at least a 2lb ball pein, otherwise you'll have to put too much effort in to it. My preference is for a 4lb minimum, unless working big jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 By the sounds of it you would be better off buying the fittings you need - form the sound of it you want something very similar to what holds the canvas straps at the back of a defender or series truck, and are reasonably easy to get for small amounts of cash. You would probably spend more on petrol going to the storage place to get the warming kit out?? generally I prefer to make rather than buy, but this really doesn't seem worth the effort... Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardAllen Posted November 4, 2009 Author Share Posted November 4, 2009 Mark, Any idea where I might get such fittings ? Regards Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paintman Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Like this sort of thing? http://stores.shop.ebay.co.uk/Towing-and-Trailers-01909-473749__W0QQ_armrsZ1 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-heavy-duty-lashing-deck-rings-trailer-lorry-tipper_W0QQitemZ300363635546QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Trailers_Transporters_Parts?hash=item45ef115b5a or Google under 'trailer anchor plates' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 What about an upturned coat hook, like a half version of one of these: <a href='http://www.mascotmetal.com/pcat-gifs/products-small/60880-s.jpg' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>http://www.mascotmet...all/60880-s.jpg</a><br /><br />They are cheap, easy to find, and will probably do the job...<br /><br /> *EDIT* Oh look: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/3-x-NEW-HEAVY-ALUMINIUM-COAT-HOOKS-50mm-2-00-FREEPOST_W0QQitemZ310166399285QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Home_Garden_Door_Accessories_LE?hash=item48375ba935 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeyw Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Excuse my innocence, i'm a bit green about this kind of thing. Can you explain the method for doing this without a hammer, I don't have one but would love to be able to do this type of job. Take a length of bar longer than you need, heat it where you want to bend it, secure one end in a vice and lean on t'other end 'till it's bent far enough, chop excess off. If you want it a nice tidy radius, just bend it round something the right diameter that's also held in the vice. Nice 'n' easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguevogue Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Take a length of bar longer than you need, heat it where you want to bend it, secure one end in a vice and lean on t'other end 'till it's bent far enough, chop excess off. If you want it a nice tidy radius, just bend it round something the right diameter that's also held in the vice. Nice 'n' easy Thanks, i'll give that one a go next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Erm, sorry about the formatting in that reply, the WYSIWYG editor seemed to stuff up quite spectacularly..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 These are what I have on my Series2a, and I got them from a guy at billing (who mentioned that they are boat fittings) but it might be worth talking to the exmoor trim or the like who supply hoods? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro_Al Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Hi, you don't need heat for this (though its easier, its more hassle). You didn't specify what material, but what you need to do is make yourself a bending fork to use as a pivot/lever on the material. For example, here are some hooks I made in 10-ish mm stainless (harder to bend) - REALLY easy with a bending fork, done cold: If you do a drawing of what you want, I might be able to whistle some up for you? Al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
errol209 Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Any idea where I might get such fittings ? Land Rover, or one it's many allied retail logistics support groups - try LRSeries for starters. Or how about some of these?. [Like Western, I have no allegiance to LRSeries, its just that theirs is the best set of parts pictures ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardAllen Posted November 6, 2009 Author Share Posted November 6, 2009 <br />These are what I have on my Series2a, and I got them from a guy at billing (who mentioned that they are boat fittings) but it might be worth talking to the exmoor trim or the like who supply hoods?<br /><br /><br /><br />Mark, Those are just what I have in mind for 10mm straps, so I just need some a bit smaller Regards Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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