Hybrid_From_Hell Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Hi If anyone here has either a 4.0 serpentine V8, or a 4.6 serpentine V8, could they please grab their keys and their camera open the bonnet and see if the PAS Pump they have is like the one on mine in the piccie below : On the PAS pump I would like pictures showing the route to the PAS Box, and also is this pipe as I think on the high pressure side a Banjo union and a bolt assembly ? also is this pipe "1 steel lengthed piece" or does it have some rubber section in it somewhere and where ? Similarly the PAS Resevoir, where fitted and the route of the pipe from it to the pump, and last pics of the route from the PAS box with the retun pipe to the Resovoir A load of pics would be hugely appreacited please Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 is this any use from my RAVE CD, 2nd gen RR PAS layout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted June 7, 2011 Author Share Posted June 7, 2011 is this any use from my RAVE CD, 2nd gen RR PAS layout Not really ralph Need to see how they are plumbed in / through whatin "Real World Pics" as I have no idea and things are not where I would expect them / anywhere similar to what I have / had Before I reinvent the wheel, I would really like to see how the factory plumbs/ routes them in Also the pics I have are different : If i am right and this is decent "Non Generic" picture of the pipework, then you'll see why I would like to see where on earth these route !!!!!!!!! HELP ? Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 I understand why you need photo's from actual vehicles, that's the best I can do from my RAVE cd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8 Freak Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Had a look.. Took some pictures for you as well.... Different PAS pump though !! Meil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted June 7, 2011 Author Share Posted June 7, 2011 Thanks Niel, got the pics But, as you summized, although yours is a 4.6 serp, its got a 3.9 front end on it, which is completely different hopefully some kind soul here will post some other pics up pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zim Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Any use : http://www.v8forum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=49722&sid=1b1507b742d33eccc3fb3451951832b6 ? I can take a picture of my gems 4.6 p38 tomorrow. G p.s. i'll call you tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zim Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 When i find my usb cable, i'll upload a load more photos of my engine G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I assume pictures of a Thor will be no use to you...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted June 8, 2011 Author Share Posted June 8, 2011 Ta Mr BogBrush but sadly "Non" Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Nige, the inlet port of the pump (mine is identical) rotates around 180 degrees with gentle taps from a mallet -this makes it much easier to fit the PAS in what I think is the factory position, on the NS inner wing on a 90. I have this setup in my RRC and was able to man handle the high pressure hose into place, and yes there is a rubber section in it, there has to be other wise the vibration would end up cracking the pipe. The rubber section is BEFORE if is mounted rigidly to the chassis/body. The high pressure hose from an RRC fits straight into the outlet from the pump, and it is NOT a banjo, rather just am oversized brake union (whatever they are called!) so if you have a scrap RRC with a mate somewhere it could be a cheap fix I would take a pic, but the Range isn't with me at the moment... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted June 12, 2011 Author Share Posted June 12, 2011 Could I have a few piccies Mr ? Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Kinda hard, Rangie is not outside here atm.... lemme check my archives a minute Right, here we go... a recycled pic from my Mondeo fan job: Hope that helps a little Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted June 12, 2011 Author Share Posted June 12, 2011 AH HA Understando now, I'll give that a damned go go, that could be a godsend ...and I have a spare 2nd Q The High Pressure side i see you don't have the factory Banjo and Bolt, but a normal m14 flange with o ring, so still wondering if this is another flavour, as I have been told its essential to use the banjo unit / union ? Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Well, that was all there was on the RRC, and 90% sure it was the same on the P38 it came out of.... IIRC it has no o-ring, just a brake line-like affair with a flair on the end of the tube, like the one on the right in this picture: http://www.andyz28.com/1lecd/brake%20lines/flares.jpg Engine and therefore pump was out of a 1995 4.0l P38a..... and I have run it like this for over a year with no problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted June 12, 2011 Author Share Posted June 12, 2011 Hmmm Well, 1st Thingy Mr Bowie, turned the filler around 180 Degress - you a Bl**dy Start Ta Right, 2nd thing, more worried about I am trying to make sure that I do everything on the transplant "Properly" now, rather than a rush fit and a "Sort that better later" route, as my "Laters" have a habit of sliping So, PAS Pipes I will most likely have these made up, using ends I supply, new therefore to make sure the "Ends" are right PAS Box end - no probs, have them from the old pipes PAS FResovior out to PAS Pump - no probs, Low pressure and jubillee clip etc BUT High Pressure to PAS Box is the issue, and the end at the pump the key problem If I read you right your using the same end as a PAS Box has, like this : It fits, it screws up, and gioes tight, its an M14 thread, and is not right as the original is a Banjo fit and bolt with washers ie this type (my old unit now wrong size) The rerason I think this is the case is the pic below left - is the PAS Box entry hole to take the M14 fitting shown top with ring whereas the one on the RHS is the internal of the PAS Pump and is a differing internal construction, hence the Banjo unit My question is is the M14 PAS Pump unit fitted to the PAS (a) what you have and (b) Members thoughts as to longevity / how good this is as a solution Me, I am serioulsy unconvinced, but having a nightmare trying to get a second hand PAS Pipe P38 4.0 / 4.6 Pump pump to get the unition and bolt Anyone got one ? Nige PS but ta for the fab tip on inlet being turnable, would never ever have known / tried / thought of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boothy Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Nige Before I converted to a ZF set up,I simply went along with my bits of pipe and pump to a hydraulic fitter who had an adaptor for the pump and then spliced in and "jointed the original pipe onto his new fitting, cost me peanuts and saved me loads of woes. Get out a bit man and ask This indistrial revolution started up North.....wonder why???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted June 13, 2011 Author Share Posted June 13, 2011 Pah Next you'll say that if Anne had asked you Qs around 'Northern T'History' - you'd have been alright ? Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Well, 1st Thingy Mr Bowie, turned the filler around 180 Degress - you a Bl**dy Start Ta Hehe, yeah, I just sat there looking at it and thought it was stupid, and realised it was a different casting, and low pressure and gave it a tap -it moved As for the other thing, I'll bow to other people's expertise, but when I connected it up it looked to me like it should all fit and with the crush once done up the flare should seal well -it did, and does to this day, no problems with air or leaks on the HP side (the LP is a different story, really must replace the reservoir....) Boothy, I'm a southern softy too you know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishbosh Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 This indistrial revolution started up North.....wonder why???? Cheap labour.......... Hat, coat, and orf back darn sarrf!! :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zim Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=68879&st=0&gopid=589642entry589642 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Nice pics Zim, Nige, no banjo to see: http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?app=core&module=attach§ion=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=37121 Phew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zim Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Nice pics Zim, Nige, no banjo to see: http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?app=core&module=attach§ion=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=37121 Phew I sent nige a picture message by phone last week...then forgot to get some more. So thought i'd better get off my lazy butt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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