matt bristol Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Having planned a head for once in my life I learned from the MOT man that there was a recent change in MOT law/standards and the rock sliders I have which bolt onto the chassis via where the hockey stick things mount is now an MOT failure. As one side has a healthy dose of rust in the sills, I was wondering if anyone could see a problem with just cutting off the old mounts and welding the box section in where the sills used to be? I realise the tubular sticky out bits would be slightly further in but I haven't got anywhere near off road other than a camping field recently coupled with it being an L reg 300TDi I'm not overly concerned about a few scratches or aesthetic anomolies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Why is that now an MOT failure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt bristol Posted August 8, 2012 Author Share Posted August 8, 2012 apparently so, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtydiesel Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Definatly not an mot failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt bristol Posted August 8, 2012 Author Share Posted August 8, 2012 Oh, I asked someone at a 4x4 place in Swindon and they said the MOT rules had changed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejparrott Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 DD ought to know....think you'll find he's a tester! I'd heard nothing about this change in regs, I try and keep up to date with them, and besides, something as major as that I would have expected to see announcement on here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrRob Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Take it a MOT man who knows his beans..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Take it a MOT man who knows his beans..... Or have the discussion with your regular MOT man, they shouldn't be failing things they're not supposed to. Welding box straight into the sills is quite popular, no reason not to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
specialbikejames Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 If you're in Bristol run it down to LR Services in Hartcliffe if you're on a budget- they'll let you know if it will pass or not. If you have deeper pockets try Steve Hill, either way they both have 'tame' MOT testers who can offer solid advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 all of us might find theseMOT update .PDF files worth reading http://www.dft.gov.u...lsandguides.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Roberts Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 If they have changed the rules, why would this be an MOT failure? My Range Rover has rock sliders bolted to the body mounts on the chassis - if I don't bolt them here then where am I supposed to fix them? Weld them on = lots of hassle..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 This is the best guide on the internet in my opinion, straight from the horse's mouth: http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual/contents.htm Where does it say that RS's are a failure? Julian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 This is the actual inspection manual:http://www.motinfo.g...tdocs/index.htmSometimes that previous site can be out of date... Probably an over-zealous interpretation of 2.4.2.3: Deliberate modification which significantly reduces the original strength, excessive corrosion, severe distortion, a fracture or an inadequate repair of a load bearing member or its supporting structure or supporting panelling within 30cm of any sub-frame, spring or a suspension component mounting, that is, within a 'prescribed area', Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 This is the actual inspection manual:http://www.motinfo.g...tdocs/index.htmSometimes that previous site can be out of date... Probably an over-zealous interpretation of 2.4.2.3: Deliberate modification which significantly reduces the original strength, excessive corrosion, severe distortion, a fracture or an inadequate repair of a load bearing member or its supporting structure or supporting panelling within 30cm of any sub-frame, spring or a suspension component mounting, that is, within a 'prescribed area', Section 2 is suspension, I think you need section 6 (vehicle structure) But it's not a 'modification' and it doesn't reduce strength - it's an addition I would say. If it was a failure point then the same criteria would apply to (say) drilling holes in vehicle structure to fit a towbar mount. Julian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Whoops, sorry, yes, I did a search, was the first hit in the PDF, 6.1.A would be it. Drilling a hole would be a modification, albeit a very slight one.... You don't normally drill holes for a tow bar, they fit to holes/inserts fitted during manufacture, and are likely to be away from any steering or braking gear... As above though, I would think if you queried it with the VOSA they would say it is fine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtydiesel Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Oh, I asked someone at a 4x4 place in Swindon and they said the MOT rules had changed Unless they have a sharp edge caused by damage or corrosion, or are insecure. they are not a failure. This is the actual inspection manual:http://www.motinfo.g...tdocs/index.htmSometimes that previous site can be out of date... The link to the inspection manual you have posted is exactly what is shown on the vts device [mot computer] If you go to the contents page of that manual you will see that several sections have a line at the side of them this line denotes them as being recent additions to the manual [these are all the latest additions that have been discussed recently] all of these latest additions have not yet been added to rfr selection page that the tester selects from when entering the results of an mot. So in practice, even though section 1.9 says that electrical wiring that is insecure is a failure. on the screen that i enter your mot test results on this failure has not yet been added so i cannot fail it. i can only enter it as an advisory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 The link to the inspection manual you have posted is exactly what is shown on the vts device [mot computer] Yep, I was one of the Siemens/VOSA trainers from the second-stage of MOT Computerisation roll out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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