western Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I'll have a bash at removing it this evening, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat_pending Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Cheers Ralph, don't bust a gut though. Paddock has them for about £20 but are out of stock until next month. I'm going to take a cutter to this one as I don't know if the box can be fixed until it's off. I think I'm going to get a 4 bolt box anyway, even if I can get a few more miles out of this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 haven't had chance to have a go at it this evening, but will tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeyw Posted April 29, 2015 Author Share Posted April 29, 2015 Parts that hold on a taper don't like to shift with pressure alone. Generally a good impact will be needed as well. You have to be careful how you do this though to avoid damage to the bearings and they're running faces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat_pending Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Parts that hold on a taper don't like to shift with pressure alone. Generally a good impact will be needed as well. You have to be careful how you do this though to avoid damage to the bearings and they're running faces. Indeed, the hole in the bottom of the press tool takes a bar that can be belted downwards, I've also had a bar in from the side to shock it. It's had some heat (not too much) and sat in the press since yesterday. Still not moved. I suspect it's never been off and its 26 years old! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Pat, got the drop arm off, here are a few photo's, rubber boot is in good condition no splits or holes, splines are good & ball pin moves without being sloppy. yours if you need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigelw Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 The output shaft seal land is repairable with a speedisleeve. 31.75mm diam seal and secure with a drop of bearing lock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat_pending Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Thanks Ralph, I'll have to let you know once the box is apart. Drop arm is finally off, took the grinder to it and split it, even then it still took a puller to shift it. Anyway the sector shaft seal land is not looking good, I'll be stripping the box over the weekend to see if it's worth saving. It may clean up or as Nigel says, speedi sleeve. Depends if I find anything else wrong. Pictures to follow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 OK, it'll just sit here on standby, I can't use it on my 4 bolt box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat_pending Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Box is now stripped, inspected, cleaned and reassembled. Sector shaft seal land was in a bad way but that appeared to be the only fault. I gave it a good clean and a polish, and put it back in, I'll be fitting a speedi sleeve and a pair of generic oil seals. Ralph, I'll take that drop arm thanks, let me know how much you want. Oh yes, this was what I had to do to get mine off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 PM heading your way shortly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat_pending Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 PM heading your way shortly. Replied. I'll post more when I have all the bits, I'm sourcing some generic seals and I can seen a couple of things worth pointing out to anyone using a speedi sleeve on a steering box. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Drop arm posted, PM sent with more details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alixtrol Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 I wondered how to intend polishing up the shaft Mickey, who can tell me??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GW8IZR Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Replied. I'll post more when I have all the bits, I'm sourcing some generic seals and I can seen a couple of things worth pointing out to anyone using a speedi sleeve on a steering box. I needed to sleeve a small gearbox output shaft that sits in the weather, the only sleeve I could find that was the right diameter was too long and had a shoulder. I thought no problem I'll shrink fit the sleeve onto a mandrel and size it in the lathe. I did that on a shaft and then couldn't get the blasted sleeve off. Yeah I could have seen that coming ;-/ I reckon the sleeves have numerous applications for LR refurbishing but most of the information on line assumes the reader knows a lot about them to start with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cackshifter Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 One thought crossed my mind on this; would there be any better lubricant/fluid available nowadays that would reduce/eliminate the problem. I'm just wondering for how long it will be possible to just get a new box, so if one did, it would be good to try to preserve it for as long as possible. It only needs a small quantity of fluid, so cost shouldn't be a major issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Just a quick FWIW, the sector shaft on these things tend to fatigue fail after a few km and years, I've heard of a few letting go here in Oz when they up around the 350,000km mark/over ten years old and there were a few letting go in South America, one of the Argentinian members posted photo's. One of the blokes on the AULRO forum ran off the highway and through a barbed wire fence when it let go, luckily not hitting anything but it really put the wind up him. It's just made me question the value of rebuilding them, mines leaking like a seive and I have a full seal kit (mainly leaking from that square section seal behind the adjuster) but I'll think I'll just stump up for a new 'box when I can afford it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat_pending Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Repairs on hold at the moment, I've spent the afternoon repairing the washing machine I now have some seals and a speedi sleeve, total cost £16. Early start tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 I've spent the afternoon repairing the washing machine Did JeffR get his hands on it ?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat_pending Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Did JeffR get his hands on it ?? No, I've been ignoring the warnings of imminent failure for some time, I've now had to repair the circuit board. I'm still reeling at spending £1.78 in Maplins! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Wow that much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 No, I've been ignoring the warnings of imminent failure for some time, I've now had to repair the circuit board. I'm still reeling at spending £1.78 in Maplins! Well that will teach you! I hope you've learned a lesson there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyNissanPrairie Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Pasted below are my musing from when I had a 6 bolter! Good box but I wanted to run Sumo bars and the Disco style track rod end setup so went with a 4bolter after 3 or 4 years of running the rebuilt Gemmer. http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=58812 Quote; I know you can get a refurbed PAS box for £180 odd quid or so but I have the means and time at work to do it myself, anyway for anyone else bored/stupid/tightfisted enough to want to rebuild a 6 bolt Gemmer HD PAS box themselves-below is a list of the stuff you need.Instructions;http://www.landrover...0_WSM_book4.pdfAdditional parts required to rebuild a 6 bolt Gemmer PAS box other than a standard aftermarket seal kit from Ebay/Paddocks etc (Part number RTC5071).The genuine LR kit is £157 als5Top cap bearing (retained by the 6 bolts);Torrington B2012 full compliment roller 1 requiredMain housing bearings;Upper- Torrington B2016 full complement roller 1 requiredLower- Torrington B2020 full compliment roller 1 requiredInput shaft;Torrington B126 or IKO BA126ZSealsInput shaft seal;Use standard 27*19*5 seal provided in kit, however if input shaft is worn/pitted use SKF or Chicago Rawhide Speedi Sleave part number 99076 in conjunction with standard seal.http://www2.chicago-.../PDF/457027.pdfMain shaft seal;Upper/Inner high pressure seal, OE part-use instead of item provided in seal kit.Claron Hydraulic seals Ltd, Polyseal part number P175125/1Page 59 http://www.claron.co...df/claron10.pdf (they will send you one as a sample if you blag them)Dirt wiper/lower seal;Use 45*32*6mm seal provided in kit or part number 10004219 from Eriks seals&oringshttp://www.eapseals.com/Additional dirt wiper/lower sealEriks V ring type A, part number 10014205 size ref V32ASettingtool;Dingocraft, http://shop.dingocro...ther_tools.htmlOr turned & externally knurled aluminium collar, dimensions: overall diameter 63.5mm (2.5"), internal diameter 19mm (0.75"), height 25mm (1.0")It all makes a bit more sense when you remove the two shafts from the box, however the output shaft seal arrangement is that the Claron seal goes in first, or is the upper seal, with the EAP lip seal on the lower or bottom. The V ring type seals are additional and not normally fitted but offer increased sealing helping to keep dirt out of the seal housing area.Mines been fine 3 years after I rebuilt it. Quote MultiQuote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat_pending Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Just to say the box is back in and (currently) leak free. Replacement drop arm thanks to Ralph, aka "Western" I couldn't find the correct seal, so I fitted a generic one from simply bearings. After it was all back together I saw RustyNissanPrairie had identified the correct one! I'll see how this one lasts for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 good job, hope the arm does good service for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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