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Paul Wightman

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Something on your mind Paul....?? :blink::ph34r:

You never had problems dissipating your teats?

Frogfreezer, Winch motors can get very hot, like melting internal soldered joints and destroying insulation materials, a good indication of heat is if you can't keep your hand on the motor its hot!

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The copper tube is central heating micro-bore 8mm dia. This is wound onto a former on the lathe whilst being pulled through a pair of rollers mounted onto the tool post to flatten the tube to 5mm and to provide tension while forming the coil. The lathe saddle is driven in reverse screw cutting at 2 ½ tpi which tracks the tube onto the former for 10 revolutions and hey-presto a coil!

Thanks Paul, thought it might be something like that

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The copper tube is central heating micro-bore 8mm dia. This is wound onto a former on the lathe whilst being pulled through a pair of rollers mounted onto the tool post to flatten the tube to 5mm and to provide tension while forming the coil. The lathe saddle is driven in reverse screw cutting at 2 ½ tpi which tracks the tube onto the former for 10 revolutions and hey-presto a coil!

Good god Paul, with the pornographic pics of copper pipe and the word-porn with it, some Copper Pipe fetishers will have no knleenex left.

Nice work BTW..have you considered plumbing your washer bottle / winch cooler into a Piggy-Kettle for on board tea to save brew up times :lol:

Nige

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Nice work BTW..have you considered plumbing your washer bottle / winch cooler into a Piggy-Kettle for on board tea to save brew up times :lol:

Nige

No but I do feel there is some mileage in a copper pipe round the exhaust manifold for the production of a caffe latte whilst on the move!

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Hi, a bit off topic, but paul do you have any photos of your fiat panda 4x4. i remember seeing it at slindon and have just bought an mot'ed one for £100 :D

Thanks.

Back on topic....... Very nice work, i have long been an admirer of piggy, looking forward to seeing you back at slindon, and the new truck sounds intriuging already! Not in the slightest bit jealous!!

Toby

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A couple of very nice mods Paul. Twin XP running 24V was something I was thinking about earlier this year which is why Nige insisted I needed the Super Heavy Duty Kitty Gripper! I think the cooling's a great idea; its not something I had thought of. As you say, heat dissipation is the big issue running this sort of setup although the fact that there are a pair of motors sharing the work helps. Have you resoldered the joints with silver solder? Its a mod the Aussies do to make XPs last longer on 24V.

Hydro assist is annother great mod. I'm still trying to weight up whether to go full hydro or just hydro assist. Either way the results are superb off road.

I'm glad you're felling a little too :i-m_so_happy:

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The coils are held on with stainless steel straps with folded ends to keep the coils together and a couple of jubilee clips.

Excellent work - I thoroughly approve.

Just a couple of comments - did you consider using plumber solder in between the coils? Serves two pruposes - keep them togethers so you can ditch the stainless strap and the axtra metal helps heat transfer between them , not that it is needed.

and paint the coils matt black for optimum heat radiation.

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First the winch.

Two 12v 6hp XP motors running on 24v water cooled.

:o:o:o

YKES!

Paul...amazing...I think it's the right word.

And you make it look oh-so-easy!

Glad to know you're back and kicking.

I hope to see you and Piggy again at the next winch challenge.

;)

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"I take it you're joking? why would I do that? I find its easier to read the MOT regs and build cars within them, any queries ask Fridge, he came along to the test."

Yes I was joking!

We all know that passing an MOT test is no proof of a vehicle being road worthy or conformation that ANY modifications are legal or accepted by VOSA.

One person who could probably confirm if a modification is permissable would be the producer of the insurers engineering report following an incident where one was involved in an accident which resulted in someone being reduced to cabbage status.

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Excellent work - I thoroughly approve.

Just a couple of comments - did you consider using plumber solder in between the coils? Serves two pruposes - keep them togethers so you can ditch the stainless strap and the axtra metal helps heat transfer between them , not that it is needed.

and paint the coils matt black for optimum heat radiation.

I did consider solder and even started to solder one of the coils. Problem was keeping the coils tight on the motor body and close to each other while soldering and the soldering not damaging the heat sink compound.

Having made the straps and clamped the coils onto the motor body I thought, sod it, that will do!

I did consider painting the inside of the pipe matt black but decided to use a whetting agent instead.

As for painting the outside, how can I maintain full blingness if I can't polish it?

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If, as Will says, they can get hot enough uncooled to melt solder then they should be OK? I'm guessing stripping them down and just working on the housing would be a good precaution.

BTW any idea how much current the setup draws on an average pull?

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