Patchy underseal 2 update

[ibexman]

Would i be asking too much by sending my car back too main dealer and asking them to underseal it properly????

[Bell-Auto-Services]

I agree with you , from what we have seen it is as if underseal is like gold dust.

They dont put much on and not very evenly spread either , infact its an abortion of a job.

Regards pete

[Steve Hiatt]

Last new Defender I had, the dealer resprayed the inside of the hard top, the bulkhead and the wheels (rust spots after less than 12 months on the wheels, you could see primer on the other bits).

I also had three oil leaks fixed. He did try the "it's a LR, they leak a bit of oil" to which I replied I have a 30 year old RR that doesn't leak because I change the gaskets and seals when it does.

Tell them you want it done

[Happyoldgit]

Mine is about the same, what there is still pretty sticky so much so that I haven't been able to hose off the stubble and muck from much of it. Not much sign of the more consistent coating I've found on my previous Defenders including the last TD5.

[TJ101]

Ditto Mog,, the 06 TD5 was covered in the stuff, Darn dog, (blond Retriever) loves to lie under them, and use to come out covered !!! , not so the 07 !!!

My have a word, when it goes back in for the ABS/Traces light again !!

[Guest dew110CSW]

My dog seems to like that as well, at least we know she won't go rusty as she's usually covered in Waxoyle!

[BogMonster]

Ditto Mog,, the 06 TD5 was covered in the stuff, Darn dog, (blond Retriever) loves to lie under them, and use to come out covered !!! , not so the 07 !!!

My have a word, when it goes back in for the ABS/Traces light again !!

Ah the joys of electronics in a Defender, he said sitting here looking smug with no warning lights

[Daniel TD5]

to be fair its better designed and drives better but the rest is carp as was the td5. but its a defender sir yes it still cost over 20 grand why can't i have under seal and paint that you can't see through rust on the engine . but i still have a great big

my one goes back in sept for the 2007 driving lamp kit to be fitted i am going to do a letter with all the bad bits and get them fixed

paint in rear body see primer .double cab now as the same tub as the station wagon so no carpet to hide the paint

under seal the lack of

broken cable clips to abs TC wiring on axles

rust on most engine fittings and axles

i am sure the list will get bigger

[JST]

Tim - get a black dog or a tin of spray paint then you wont notice.

[Happyoldgit]

Mine is booked back in on Monday for an inspection of the underseal ...or lack of it.

[BogMonster]

Defenders have been poorly undersealed for a couple of years now, my 2004 90 was OK but the 2006 110 is just as bad, no sticky goo at all. 20L of waxoyl on standby though, time to shoo away any orange cats

[Happyoldgit]

I got plenty of Waxoyl in stock and the means to do it but I'd prefer someone else got mucky

Funnily enough the commercial 110 they have on display on the plastic rocks in the main dealer looks to have a good and consistent covering of black goo

Edited to add these pics..

Some on the outrigger here but not on the main chassis

Nothing at all here

Swoosh a bit here

bit more here - quick like

.5 seconds to do this bit then teabreak

Not to worry...

[western]

seems like LR need to reprogram the underseal application robot, or get a man in who can apply it properly.

[Gromit]

bit more here - quick like

.5 seconds to do this bit then teabreak

Not to worry...

Good god, that's terrible. They really DID use a monkey.

[Happyoldgit]

Back to the dealer to have the underseal / wax inspected today.

30 mins and a cup of coffee later young technician comes over and starts to explain that Land Rover's policy is not to apply stonechip but to wax selective areas. He went on to say that stonechip sometimes peeled away allowing corrosion to build up undetected. I agreed with this policy as I had seen the same phenomenon over the years which is why I rarely use stonechip myself.

I said his response did not address the issue I had with the hardtop 110 in the showroom dripping with heavy wax in the rear wheelarches and chassis where my XS (which cost a fair bit more) has more unwaxed painted metal than anything. He responded that they all seem to be different and that wax is applied in areas of high abrasion. My answer to that was that just because they are different doesn't make it acceptable but could he explain what areas are more highly abraded than the wheelarches and chassis nearby - further, why the only wax on these areas on my vehicle seemed to be overspray. He went quiet and said he would go have a chat to the workshop manager.

Five or ten minutes later said manager appears and goes off on a similar tack, they only wax key areas, but the areas treated by the factory do seem to vary from vehicle to vehicle etc, etc. I responded with the same comments that I had used previously and that I had had enough LR's in the past to know where they rust and that I could easily fire up the compressor and Waxoyl the thing properly and thoroughly myself but having parted company with very nearly 30 grand for the vehicle perhaps he could understand why I'm reluctant to resort to personally having to rectify what the factory should have done properly in he first place.

Next comment was that he was in fact the workshop manager and that it would be the bodyshop manager who would have to approve the work ...but he's away on holiday for another week. My response was that I'd like the matter addressed asap regardless of holidays as I didn't want the vehicle to get clagged up with muck prior to treatment. I also said that as rectification would cost the dealer £0 as they should have their claim met by LR themselves as per the usual warranty procedure.

I await developments

oh yes and apparently all the new alarm keyfobs are very short range. That doesn't make it right says I ...and so it went on.

[ibexman]

Back to the dealer to have the underseal / wax inspected today.

30 mins and a cup of coffee later young technician comes over and starts to explain that Land Rover's policy is not to apply stonechip but to wax selective areas. He went on to say that stonechip sometimes peeled away allowing corrosion to build up undetected. I agreed with this policy as I had seen the same phenomenon over the years which is why I rarely use stonechip myself.

I said his response did not address the issue I had with the hardtop 110 in the showroom dripping with heavy wax in the rear wheelarches and chassis where my XS (which cost a fair bit more) has more unwaxed painted metal than anything. He responded that they all seem to be different and that wax is applied in areas of high abrasion. My answer to that was that just because they are different doesn't make it acceptable but could he explain what areas are more highly abraded than the wheelarches and chassis nearby - further, why the only wax on these areas on my vehicle seemed to be overspray. He went quiet and said he would go have a chat to the workshop manager.

Five or ten minutes later said manager appears and goes off on a similar tack, they only wax key areas, but the areas treated by the factory do seem to vary from vehicle to vehicle etc, etc. I responded with the same comments that I had used previously and that I had had enough LR's in the past to know where they rust and that I could easily fire up the compressor and Waxoyl the thing properly and thoroughly myself but having parted company with very nearly 30 grand for the vehicle perhaps he could understand why I'm reluctant to resort to personally having to rectify what the factory should have done properly in he first place. What total BO##OCKS all that money and they cant finish it to your satisfaction , keep me posted cheers chris

Next comment was that he was in fact the workshop manager and that it would be the bodyshop manager who would have to approve the work ...but he's away on holiday for another week. My response was that I'd like the matter addressed asap regardless of holidays as I didn't want the vehicle to get clagged up with muck prior to treatment. I also said that as rectification would cost the dealer £0 as they should have their claim met by LR themselves as per the usual warranty procedure.

I await developments

oh yes and apparently all the new alarm keyfobs are very short range. That doesn't make it right says I ...and so it went on.

Sounds about right from LR what BO##OCKS all that money and they cant finish to your satisfaction keep us posted

[Happyoldgit]

Sounds about right from LR what BO##OCKS all that money and they cant finish to your satisfaction keep us posted

You going to take up the issue as well? The more that do it the better the chances of getting it rectified with less LR BS.

[ibexman]

Yes next monday

[Steve Hiatt]

I know it is a little OT but I find the Dealers attitude very annoying, surely any half decently run Company would be embarassed it wasn't picked at the PDI stage. After all they somehow managed to get it right on te forecourt display vehicle.

[TJ101]

Mog, Yep, underbody coating is on the list, for when it goes in next Monday, and until all the farty jobs are sorted, am keeping the loaner !!!

[Daniel TD5]

yes sir it a defender

that what you get all the time i did my td5 my self the day i got it home have not done the 2007 yet as i have no money moving house

am keeping a eyeon what gonig on

as me and ibexman got ours from the same dealer if they fix his on monday they must fix my one two

dan

[MRWOO]

I agree with what everyone says here as my new Defender has very patchy underseal to, I don’t think I am going to bother chasing the dealer to sort it out though as I know I'll just be disappointed with the job they do anyway.

The dealer for me was just a glich in getting myself a new Defender out of Solihull, I don’t need to go back there again as I'll get it serviced at a specialist. As for the underseal I am going to pay someone who I know will do a decent job and blast the cavities and bulk head at the same time.

[TJ101]

IThe dealer for me was just a glich in getting myself a new Defender out of Solihull,

Fair point !!

[BogMonster]

The dealer for me was just a glich in getting myself a new Defender out of Solihull, I don’t need to go back there again as I'll get it serviced at a specialist.

You're a brave chap to take that attitude with a brand new new-model vehicle with as yet unknown issues!

[Happyoldgit]

I agree with what everyone says here as my new Defender has very patchy underseal to, I don’t think I am going to bother chasing the dealer to sort it out though as I know I'll just be disappointed with the job they do anyway.

The dealer for me was just a glich in getting myself a new Defender out of Solihull, I don’t need to go back there again as I'll get it serviced at a specialist. As for the underseal I am going to pay someone who I know will do a decent job and blast the cavities and bulk head at the same time.

Well yes there is that approach. I've personally Waxoyled enough vehicles and Land Rovers in the past plus have all the puka tackle and materials for it not to be any issue should I want to do this one. The thing is I don't really see why I should personally make up for factory or PDI deficiencies.

A bit further down the line depending on what I decide to do with this particular vehicle I may well further inject the cavities and spray the underside but at the moment I think it's really down to Land Rover.