Paul64 Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 Hi, I will changing the suspension set up on my 110 CSW for the tougher road conditions and extra carriage of weight in Transylvania. Do you think the following is a good choice? Should I consider anything else. The requirements for this setup are as follows 1. Regular pot holes on tarmac roads 2. Bumpy dirt tracks 3. Off roading 4. Carrying a maximum of 5 people, all their kit and camping equipment Proposed set up 1. Old man emu springs. Front springs 751, Rear springs 755 2. Old man emu dampers. Front shocks n115, Rear shocks n44 3. Polybush comfort (blue) with associated bolts. Thanks in advance. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 If you haven't got a winch on the front the 751's will be to hard, probably better with 761 medium duty, for the rear depending on how much load will be in the back the 781 [can't see 761 on the list] would probably be good, as the load will not be constant avoid the heavy duty 762/763/754/755. you'll be fine with the N45 front shox [my 110 has a set on & front winch/bumper, not had any problems] I think the N115's will be to hard, the N44 on the rear will be good. mine has 751/N45 front & 754/N44 rear [always has my rally recovery kit,constant load of 400kg in the back regardless of where I'm travelling to] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul64 Posted June 24, 2007 Author Share Posted June 24, 2007 If you haven't got a winch on the front the 751's will be to hard, probably better with 761 medium duty, for the rear depending on how much load will be in the back the 781 [can't see 761 on the list] would probably be good, as the load will not be constant avoid the heavy duty 762/763/754/755. you'll be fine with the N45 front shox [my 110 has a set on & front winch/bumper, not had any problems] I think the N115's will be to hard, the N44 on the rear will be good.mine has 751/N45 front & 754/N44 rear [always has my rally recovery kit,constant load of 400kg in the back regardless of where I'm travelling to] Thanks Ralph, No winch so I will take into consideration the setup you suggest. What make of springs and shocks did you go for? Cheers, Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 OME all round & their steering damper, had these for near 13 years witout any problems & used in all conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul64 Posted June 24, 2007 Author Share Posted June 24, 2007 OME all round & their steering damper, had these for near 13 years witout any problems & used in all conditions. Sounds good. Thanks Ralph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 Don't use Blue Polybush, see my thread re my axle change - my Polybushes fell apart in less than 1 years use, mainly off road and low miles. Fit OME inc their bushes Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 I'd stay with genuine LR rubber bushes, never given me any problems, have thought about blue ploybushes before but after having seen the aftereffects of Ironman ones on a mates 127 I'll continue to use the standard parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul64 Posted June 24, 2007 Author Share Posted June 24, 2007 Thanks for all the advice. This is why it always becomes a difficult choice. Some swear by the original Polybush blues, then others say they are rubbish. I must admit the OME's are looking a more attractive option. Ralph where did you buy your bushes from? Cheers, Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honitonhobbit Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 Said it before and will say it again, SuperPro. OME bushes are poor in high mileage off road conditions as they are simply to hard and suffer from impaction and deformation. In fact I would suggest any other bush rather than OME - even a S/H set of Deflex or the old set of Polybush Reds I have in my garage which you are welcome to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 Unsure if people are meaning OME(Old Man emu) or Orig manufacturers equip I use genuine L/R ones only they last approx 12-20k and considering the time they have they last well and when they are completely shot you can still drive home. they may restrict movement a bit but nothing that I'm going to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 Ah ! Good point I was meaning fit OME springs Shocks and bushes as in 'Old Man Emu', .........well made and long lasting As opposed to : and the shock bushes same - just couldn't be bother to take the pics on their way to the bin Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul64 Posted June 24, 2007 Author Share Posted June 24, 2007 I'm getting a bit confused now. There seems to be some real differences of opinion. The most important factor for me is reliability and longevity. What is the general consensus. OME bushes (old man emu) OME bushes (Orig manufacturers equip) Superpro polybush Cheers, Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandyManLuke Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 OME bushes (Orig manufacturers equip) Normally refered to as O E M.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 All my references to OME mean OLD MAN EMU, where I've mentione bushes I believe I've be very clear about them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul64 Posted June 24, 2007 Author Share Posted June 24, 2007 All my references to OME mean OLD MAN EMU, where I've mentione bushes I believe I've be very clear about them You have been clear Ralph. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 #Well Paul I'd recommend Genuine L/R bushes they'll suit your usage just fine and are cheap/easy enough to obtain and replace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 I agree with Nige - blue polys are no good. I had some on for just over a year and they were wrecked. I'm going to fit standard items on catflap. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJIbex Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 There does seem to be a massive difference between the red and blue polybushes. Have had red polybushes on the 90 since 2001 and moved them over to the Ibex - still fine (about 20000 miles total). The blue 1s are rubbish off road as they do break up very quickly; not fitted them myself having seen mates fail in short period. The reds seem fine though. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul64 Posted June 24, 2007 Author Share Posted June 24, 2007 Thanks guys, that argument seems settled. Cheers, Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveG Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 Given the decription of the roads and carrying 5 people plus all their gear, I am suprised that no one has suggested twin shocks and stengthening spring mounts. Didn't suggest it myself, as I've no experience, but I've read it enough times that travelling on corrugations and potholes a lot kills shocks, their mounts and spring mounts. Cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul64 Posted July 2, 2007 Author Share Posted July 2, 2007 Said it before and will say it again, SuperPro. OME bushes are poor in high mileage off road conditions as they are simply to hard and suffer from impaction and deformation. In fact I would suggest any other bush rather than OME - even a S/H set of Deflex or the old set of Polybush Reds I have in my garage which you are welcome to... Thanks for the offer, but when I get them on I want them there for a long time. I bought a set of the polybush reds. I got them from Nene Overland. Cracking place and I got a lot of help and advice from Kevin Mackman that works there. He said that most of the heavy duty springs and shocks that they fit are Britpart. Cheers Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul64 Posted July 4, 2007 Author Share Posted July 4, 2007 Hi, Just looking at the lower links like a frightened rabbit! Has anybody tried to remove the bushes from the eyes without the use of a bush press? Cheers, Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 Yup. Burn the rubber out with a blowlamp and then use a reciprocating saw ("Jigsaw" or similar) to cut through the metal outer which will then collapse in and push out easily. Fitting a new "OEM" type is easy enough if you have the right sized tube or socket to hammer it in with - better yet, use a vice to press it in. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul64 Posted July 4, 2007 Author Share Posted July 4, 2007 Yup. Burn the rubber out with a blowlamp and then use a reciprocating saw ("Jigsaw" or similar) to cut through the metal outer which will then collapse in and push out easily. Fitting a new "OEM" type is easy enough if you have the right sized tube or socket to hammer it in with - better yet, use a vice to press it in. Chris Thanks Chris, That must mean that Polybush are easier to fit and remove after the OEM is out as I noticed there is a metal core and a split bush which fits either side of the eye? Any idea where I can find or what the torque settings are? Bought a torque wrench over here, so if you have the settings in metric even better. Cheers, Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmgemini Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 All I can say is that two trips to Southern Africa including some very nice roads with my 110 Defender well overloaded the standard Land Rover heavy duty springs, standard shock absorbers and suspension bushes, my Defender coped very well. 3.400kg was the normal all up weight of the Defender. I've just added 130 helper springs to the rear. It's really lifted it too far for my liking, so much so that it might not go into the container. Fitting new Land Rover bushes is easy. That really is the simple bit. It's getting the old ones out where the problem lies. Do as Chris says to remove. To fit I use the HGV mechanics method. A short length of screwed rod nuts and washers of various sizes. Make sure you have two washers that fit over the center tube of the bush. Also clean the tube that the bush is to fit into. Some oil will help it go into place. My ten bobs worth. mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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