new2defenders Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Just wondering what would be the cheapest and easiest way to get some acceleration out of a td5 defender? (2005 engine) I have had the gearing altered so that it will sit happily at 75 (it hasnt affected the lower gears) but i was wondering how you could go about getting more out of the first few gears. I came straight from driving a nippy hatchback so i'm finding pulling out of junctions isnt how it used to be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adi Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 ......so i'm finding pulling out of junctions isnt how it used to be Welcome to the world of Land Rover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scube Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 The biggest bang per buck on TD5’s is to have it re-chipped. Chips tend to come in around £400 to £500 There are loads of thing you can do and I'm sure there will be loads of post but the easest and biggest return is to re-chip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new2defenders Posted April 26, 2009 Author Share Posted April 26, 2009 The biggest bang per buck on TD5’s is to have it re-chipped.Chips tend to come in around £400 to £500 There are loads of thing you can do and I'm sure there will be loads of post but the easest and biggest return is to re-chip. Oh yeah thats the best option i know and i've been looking on the td5 alive site but you see there is a complication. I share the car with my father and he paid equal amount for it with me in the first place, he has no intention to have it upgraded. He has a fast car already and only intends to use the defender for fishing trips... I was hoping to get something smaller done with the hope of him not needing to know about it (i sort out all the insurance anyway). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scube Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 I know you can increase boost pressure and increase the fuelling which will give it a bit more umph, to much though and it will fail the MOT. I don’t know how to do it but I’m sure I have seen something in this forum about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Your father is right, a Defender is designed to be a utility vehicle with good off road capabilities, it's a small truck and not a hot hatch so the easiest and cheapest thing to do is tailor your driving style accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new2defenders Posted April 26, 2009 Author Share Posted April 26, 2009 Your father is right, a Defender is designed to be a utility vehicle with good off road capabilities, it's a small truck and not a hot hatch so the easiest and cheapest thing to do is tailor your driving style accordingly. Your quite right i know, i drive it very sensibly anyway as i can practically hear the insurance prices and the involuntary excess coming out of the exhaust not to mention the money spent on fuel. I cant help being 18 though im afraid! I would just love a little more pull as to not be left behind by my mates in their poofmobiles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest noggy Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 how are you left behind?? its a TD5..... i struggle to keep up with my mates with my old 200tdi, but a td5 with disco gearing will easily keep up! get a plug in chip if you seriously want more power, but to be honest you should be fine with power you already have. being 18 aswell i know the attraction to being fast, and not being done by some 500quid fiesta on the dual carriageway (it happened last night, but i soon went flying back past him as i realised my brake pipe had burst...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Its not healthy to do the sneaky on your Dad though - why not try tell him how the re-chip improves torque and fuel consumption. If he's up for it on those grounds then go for it. If not, then just try and get your mates to follow you down a green lane and see who is in the front then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 It's a Land Rover not a hot hatch, what did you expect ? Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheeppimp Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Just wondering what would be the cheapest and easiest way to get some acceleration out of a td5 defender? (2005 engine) I have had the gearing altered so that it will sit happily at 75 (it hasnt affected the lower gears) but i was wondering how you could go about getting more out of the first few gears. I came straight from driving a nippy hatchback so i'm finding pulling out of junctions isnt how it used to be The cheapest if not the easiest way is to learn how to make the best of what you have. If you try and drive it like a little nippy hatch then it is going to disappoint, but it's more than possible to drive a land rover and keep up with the traffic - I can manage it in my series one so a td5 should be more than adequate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Buy a Ford Fiesta Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Ingore all the carp about it not being a hot hatch etc. Its a 1.7Tonne vehicle with 130hp, giving you 76bhp/ton. A 1.25 fiesta (which is **** slow) has 75hp and weighs less than a ton... Your average mid size saloon car with a 2.0 engine has something like 100-120hp/ton, and even those cant really be described as fast... Get yourself a proper remap, not a plugin chip, difference in price is negligable and the remap is far better. "stage 1" usually takes the motor from 130hp to around 160, "stage 2" takes it to circa 190hp. I would go for stage 2 right off, as tbh theres really so little difference in cost it seems a pointless exercise going for the lower level. Theres a user on here called Porny who does Tuning for TD5's and should be able to sort you out. I cant mind the name of his company, but if you search for his username you should be able to find some contact details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Ingore all the carp about it not being a hot hatch etc. So it is a hot hatch then ? Its a 1.7Tonne vehicle with 130hp, giving you 76bhp/ton. A 1.25 fiesta (which is **** slow) has 75hp and weighs less than a ton... Your average mid size saloon car with a 2.0 engine has something like 100-120hp/ton, and even those cant really be described as fast... So? Get yourself a proper remap, not a plugin chip, difference in price is negligable and the remap is far better. "stage 1" usually takes the motor from 130hp to around 160, "stage 2" takes it to circa 190hp. I would go for stage 2 right off, as tbh theres really so little difference in cost it seems a pointless exercise going for the lower level. That'll be a nice surprise for his dad when he goes fishing ! Theres a user on here called Porny who does Tuning for TD5's and should be able to sort you out. I cant mind the name of his company, but if you search for his username you should be able to find some contact details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 I just dont get the issue... Theres plenty users on here with tuned TD5's or V8's, and a lot of the rover V8's are easily knocking out over 190hp You dont have to want a vehicle to be a hot hatch to want a decent turn of pace. The missus daily driver is an Audi A4 with a 1.8T motor producing 150hp. The missus never uses much more than half throttle most of the time, but there are times when having 150hp on tap is useful, doesnt mean your going to want to drive it around nailed to the boards day in day out. The guys asking how to make his truck quicker. The answer to that question is to get it remapped. I'm sure he doesnt want people coming on berating him for what he wants from his vehicle, hes asking a technical question on a technical forum, and my post answers that question unlike the rest of the replies posted... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scube Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 I just dont get the issue...Theres plenty users on here with tuned TD5's or V8's, and a lot of the rover V8's are easily knocking out over 190hp You dont have to want a vehicle to be a hot hatch to want a decent turn of pace. The missus daily driver is an Audi A4 with a 1.8T motor producing 150hp. The missus never uses much more than half throttle most of the time, but there are times when having 150hp on tap is useful, doesnt mean your going to want to drive it around nailed to the boards day in day out. The guys asking how to make his truck quicker. The answer to that question is to get it remapped. I'm sure he doesnt want people coming on berating him for what he wants from his vehicle, hes asking a technical question on a technical forum, and my post answers that question unlike the rest of the replies posted... hear hear.. he asked a question its not our role to judge him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new2defenders Posted April 26, 2009 Author Share Posted April 26, 2009 hear hear..he asked a question its not our role to judge him. Haha thanks guys, i really didnt mean that i wanted a hatchback style of driving, as unbelievable as it sounds to the "learn how to drive it accordingly" people of this forum i can actually drive a large vehicle and have been lugging round in a huge old diesel van for my work without power steering that makes driving the landy a piece of cake. Aragorn hit the nail on the head with his point, i would like to enjoy a little more speed in it from time to time doesnt mean i want to be racing fiesta's and bloody corsa's all day long. At the end of the day its my vehicle and i can do with it whatever i like As for the remap, it really does seem to be the lead choice, although it costs more, have chatted to me old man about it and he just laughed and said as long as it's legal. I'll just have to save up some monies then from now until the end of summer! Thanks to those who pitched in with ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scube Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Everyone wants a bit more than they already have.. With a TD5 you are lucky there is loads of power to be had without paying the price in reliability Look at this web site. http://www.swindon4x4.co.uk/def_disco_td5.htm gives you an idea what can be done, there are loads on the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Ingore all the carp about it not being a hot hatch etc. <snip> You have a PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 I'm sure he doesnt want people coming on berating him for what he wants from his vehicle, hes asking a technical question on a technical forum, and my post answers that question unlike the rest of the replies posted... to quote fridge freezer: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirkthe1 Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 i was 19 and had a 2.5 n/a 90-drive one of those and then you'll understand no power! this might be flogging a dead horse but why exactly do you want it re mapped? "I came straight from driving a nippy hatchback so i'm finding pulling out of junctions isnt how it used to be" not trying to sound funny or just repeat other people, but it is a land rover not a cosworth. i dont know you or how long youve been driving and dont take it the wrong way but you do have to drive them differently. the fact you drive a van with no power steering for work makes no difference. my girlfriend drove transits for 3 years for work but i wouldnt expect her to get into the landy and be able to drive it-every vehicle is different and as far as i knew you change your style to match the vehicle as opposed to the vehicle to match you. get it remapped if you want, it makes no difference to me but from what ive read youve just filled every stereo type that young men get and the reason i pay so much for my insurance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 as far as i knew you change your style to match the vehicle as opposed to the vehicle to match you. Better tell all those people that have modified their landrovers to improve their offroad performance that they need to revert them to stock and tackle the easy courses from now on then eh? Its his landrover. If he wants it to have 600HP thats his decision. Just like its his choice if he wants to put 44" boggers on it and a 6 inch lift. I'm sure hes quite capable of determining what the vehicle can and cant do, and chose which performance or other modifications he wants to make to the vehicle. I'm also sure there are plenty of offroad trucks on this very forum running highly tuned engines, be it a TDi, TD5 or V8, and i'm pretty sure the owners of those arent getting whinged at for wanting more power than stock! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 OK, this getting to far off the original subject, can we Please stay on topic without diving off onto a tangent about other members driving abilities. the cheapest way to get a bit more grunt from any engine is to make sure the engine concerned is in good health & give it a good serivce, in this case maybe have the injection system checked out so it's on top manufacturers spec's & have the ECU remapped as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirkthe1 Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Better tell all those people that have modified their landrovers to improve their offroad performance that they need to revert them to stock and tackle the easy courses from now on then eh? at no point did he mention going off road-he even said about pulling out a junctions! off road is a different kettle of fish. i merely gave my opinion-i understand frustration of driving a land rover and asked the purpose of re-mapping. is it being driven in london or built up areas alot, or motorway driving and to understand if its actually needed, i.e. wether a slight change in driving style would make it easier to pull out at junctions without what could become a expensive and un needed modification. i also know from previous experience of being 19 and driving a land rover that it took me a while. i said it makes no difference to me-go wild, lets put a w16 in and go the whole hog shall we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new2defenders Posted April 26, 2009 Author Share Posted April 26, 2009 is it being driven in london or built up areas alot, or motorway driving and to understand if its actually needed Yeah its being driven to scotland and back from essex all motorway miles regularly, the nearest places to me are all via A roads at least and the nearest slip roads give me about 50 metres run up and on busy but not fast roads, i would find it more CONVINIENT to have a quicker start up. At no point did i say i have to have these upgrades or im screwed... i just said it would make it more pleasurable... i.e. wether a slight change in driving style would make it easier to pull out at junctions without what could become a expensive and un needed modification. I can pull out of junctions fine thanks, there are a lot of blind junctions near when i live and i know from experience and from constant intruction that sometimes it is safer to give it the gas instead of stop and sit there like a dead duck and with me having to pay the first £750 of any claim i would rather not take that risk if i can avoid it. Unfortunately its one of those places where 'creep n peep' just doesn't cut it. Im going to repeat myself again just to see if you can get it clear this time, i didnt ask anyones opinion on if i should bother with any power upgrades, i asked if they knew any ways to do so cheaply... Is that fair enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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