will4x4 Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 Hi quick question, I thought my wheel bearing was loose so I took it apart tightened it up and there is still play. Looking closer you can see its on the swivel so must be king pins. Can you tighten these up or do you just replace them? I have done about 20k miles on 33's and never looked at them so imagine they might need to be changed. Is it just a case of doing those 2 bolts up a bit on both sides or undoing them and removing a shims or do you take the swivel apart and replace the lot...? Thanks in advance Will (oh 24pline 300tdi 1994 front axle) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 extract one layer of the shims,that should tighten it again, but don't take out to many shims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dantd5 Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 extract one layer of the shims,that should tighten it again, but don't take out to many shims. What happens if one takes off too many shims? Crack the top bearing???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 it'll be far to loose & you get lots of 'death wobble' at the steering wheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 dont you mean too tight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 it'll be far to loose & you get lots of 'death wobble' at the steering wheel. Err umm - he said What happens if one takes off too many shims? Crack the top bearing????.Removing shims reduces clearance / play / tightens. Adding shims increases clearance / play / loosens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Doh, wrong way round, Yep, to many shims out steering will be tighter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will4x4 Posted February 15, 2010 Author Share Posted February 15, 2010 thanks guys very useful cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will4x4 Posted February 15, 2010 Author Share Posted February 15, 2010 oh, how do i know if its top or bottom? is it just a case of looking and seeing where the wobble is or do you do the same to both always? cheers Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 There is only adjustment on the top Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will4x4 Posted February 15, 2010 Author Share Posted February 15, 2010 great thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweetyduck Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 What do you reccon if I'm changing the pins and replcaing the ball and bearings. Should i just put the same shims back in? Is there an easy way to tell when you have enough in (or too many)? I've ordered some new ones and have ordered 2 x 0.01 and 2 x 0.03 how can i tell if i need any? Is it a take it for a drive test? Consider that i'm a novice......thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will4x4 Posted February 15, 2010 Author Share Posted February 15, 2010 i noticed mine need doing as you can shake the wheel up and down as if the wheel bearing had gone. i would say put the same back in and spin it around and see if there is any movement - but wait and see what someone else says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Shims are quite cheap, so just order a bunch of them and then you can set it the proper way when you come to re-assemble. That's what I'm doing with my Series III's swivels, I ordered ten of each of the 5 thou and 3 thou shims. Should provide enough to get me about right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 What do you reccon if I'm changing the pins and replcaing the ball and bearings. Should i just put the same shims back in? Is there an easy way to tell when you have enough in (or too many)? I've ordered some new ones and have ordered 2 x 0.01 and 2 x 0.03 how can i tell if i need any? Is it a take it for a drive test? Consider that i'm a novice......thanks You need a manual - the procedure for correctly setting them up is in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweetyduck Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 I'll read up then. Seem to spend all my time doing that at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will4x4 Posted August 3, 2010 Author Share Posted August 3, 2010 Well i have the death wobble......................doh its not wheel bearings, steering box, panhard rod radius arms, drop arm ball joint, or track rod / steering rod.. going to try removing a shim from the top and bottom of the king pin.... only happens between 35-45mph and if your brave you can drive through it as over 50mph is fine again.... all very gay ill let you know how i get on Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 the shims are all different thicknesses, so simply removing one might not make any difference, or it may make it far too tight. You need to follow the procedure in the manual to set them up properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 all very gay Well, at least your Landy has come out of the closet Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 I've just re-built my front axle, using far to many new bits. What I have found is, yes you can take play out the swivel housing by removing shims, but I still had a little bit of play, did some measuring and found that the lower king pins where worn, thus the straight pin was wobbling about inside the lower bearing race, the lower pin is not tapered and is just a slide fit onto the tapered part of the lower bearing. By removing the upper shims you are just squashing the bearing (admitadly that will create more resistance to the sloppy lower pin, but isn;t solving the problem) I've just bought 2 new lower pins to sort this. Mav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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