saley Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 Just had a look at the pic's, it seems the mudguard rule dose not apply anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p38rr Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 Just had a look at the pic's, it seems the mudguard rule dose not apply anymore Read THIS!!!!!!! Exactly what i thought. http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=55178 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguevogue Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 Read THIS!!!!!!! Exactly what i thought. http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=55178 I'm no expert but I believe that the XTC is run under MSA rules which are more akin to the Comp Safari rules, perhaps that's where the mud guard thing comes from. Challenge has it's own set of rules in the Blue Book this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Butler Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 Just had a look at the pic's, it seems the mudguard rule dose not apply anymore sorry, all I heard was "waa waa waa!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boothy Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 Is that young Dibnah ????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p38rr Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 sorry, all I heard was "waa waa waa!" Obviously section 2f of the challenge regulations doesn't apply to you then? Just in case here`s the link http://www.awdc.co.uk/images/stories/PDF/2010_Challenge_Tech_Regs.pdf How did it pass the scruteneers i wonder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saley Posted April 17, 2010 Author Share Posted April 17, 2010 Obviously section 2f of the challenge regulations doesn't apply to you then? Just in case here`s the link http://www.awdc.co.uk/images/stories/PDF/2010_Challenge_Tech_Regs.pdf How did it pass the scruteneers i wonder? You must be allowed to compete in any piece of scrap if your a sponser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p38rr Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 My whole point is that i would assume that mudguards are a safety issue. Im sure the sport dosent need any more bad publicity such as some body loosing sight in an eye due to a vehicle not having mudguards?. If a regulation is there, surely its there for a reason? otherwise there would be no reason for rules or regulations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will4x4 Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 p38rr lots of mud guards were lost as the day went on .... i know we lost 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p38rr Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 p38rr lots of mud guards were lost as the day went on .... i know we lost 2 The point is they were never fitted in the first place!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyb Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 I saw interesting mud guards but didnt see any not fited at the start. Wont name names but I saw mud guards after the first night stage on the floor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p38rr Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 Check the same vehicle out in Round 1 of the XTC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Butler Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 The point is they were never fitted in the first place!! yes they were fitted... and yes they did comply to the regs and pass scruteneering... however they got damaged on the first night section on Saturday evening... Even the 2009 champ's vehicle mudguards got damaged... ours were constructed in exactly the same manor... So pipe down you whiney bitch... if you have a problem, please feel free to contact the MSA about it, we complied to the regs and have done nothing wrong... So knock you're self out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p38rr Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 Got damaged on the XTC as well then did they?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Butler Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 Got damaged on the XTC as well then did they?? nope... we had none fitted at XTC... but we were allowed to compete on the agrement they were fitted for the next event... which they were... however they did not last long... as I say, please free to contact the MSA if you have a problem... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyb Posted April 18, 2010 Share Posted April 18, 2010 I agree with you rob, I could understand the rant if it give you an advantage it probably makes things worse mud going all over the place. Like your avitar pic thou, showing how it looks without flaps :-) lol.. You might need to upgrade from corn flake packet mud flaps to Frosties see if they last longer. ( trying to make lite of the comments Mark) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrodant Posted April 18, 2010 Share Posted April 18, 2010 I agree with you rob, I could understand the rant if it give you an advantage it probably makes things worse mud going all over the place. Like your avitar pic thou, showing how it looks without flaps :-) lol.. You might need to upgrade from corn flake packet mud flaps to Frosties see if they last longer. ( trying to make lite of the comments Mark) I think the point is, all vehicles must comply to the rules, at scrutaneering, i know there are always minor issues, but as long as the vehicle is deemed safe "for all spectators, crew, other entrants ect" then it should be ok, if bitz fall off during an event, then that dosnt matter, unless the vehicle rolls and then it is required to be rescrutaneered, "speed event only i think" so if bits are missing and it dose not comply with rules" then it should not be allowed to carry on. (Maybe varnish the cardbord??) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Butler Posted April 18, 2010 Share Posted April 18, 2010 I have pictures of our buggy from Saturday evening... witht he MG's fitted... and passed scuteneering... we then done all 4 night sections on Saturday and during the course of the evening they all but 1 got damaged... The mudguards them selves were made of "corex" just the same as 2009 champ's vehicle... However there was no requirement for re-scruteneering on Sunday morning, so it appeared that we we're setting off from the get go with none fitted... Glaggs's first slide show shows the buggy on the trailer with the brackets fited before we had fitted the corex mudguards... (pre-scruteneering) So if anyone else has a problem, please feel free to email me @ offroadarmory@googlemail.com or call me on 07799 544141... or alternatively as I have already said, knock yourself out and contact the MSA and tell them about this vehicle competing after his mudguards had been damaged... thank you, and goodnight... Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Isaac Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 I have pictures of our buggy from Saturday evening... witht he MG's fitted... and passed scuteneering... we then done all 4 night sections on Saturday and during the course of the evening they all but 1 got damaged... The mudguards them selves were made of "corex" just the same as 2009 champ's vehicle... However there was no requirement for re-scruteneering on Sunday morning, so it appeared that we we're setting off from the get go with none fitted... So, going with this method, If a truck rolls and damages the cage on a night event but there is no scruteneering the following day it is ok to continue? Its the same concept.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian M Posted April 24, 2010 Share Posted April 24, 2010 no not really, i had trouble with a winch rope constantly snapping on a night stage, the next morning the scruitineers came around to make sure i had changed it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Isaac Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 It must be purely coincidence that the sponsors truck was allowed to continue then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treebloke Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 So, going with this method, If a truck rolls and damages the cage on a night event but there is no scruteneering the following day it is ok to continue? Its the same concept.... I think it's fair to say that damaging a roll cage is more serious than losing a mud guard. Not quite the same concept to me, I can see a big difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 moved from the howlin wolf thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Isaac Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 I think it's fair to say that damaging a roll cage is more serious than losing a mud guard. Not quite the same concept to me, I can see a big difference. There is no difference, Its the fact that if something happens to the truck in the night sections and there is no scruitineering it should not be allowed to continue unless it has been checked over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_oakley Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Oh dear God! Have you not got anything else to do with your Time than moan about such small items. Rob has Commented and given his answers. Get over it! If not Contact Msa. And move ON. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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