Gremlin Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 I am doing this but on a series axle, option 2 for me, i have the cad file for the spacers if you can find a waterjet guy to have them cut. Build at http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=73397 My build is slow as well and as cheaply as humanly possible! G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 you can say that again! It must of been a year ago i sent the shields to you they are still in the package but I have opened it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UdderlyOffroad Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 I am doing this but on a series axle, option 2 for me, i have the cad file for the spacers if you can find a waterjet guy to have them cut. Build at http://forums.lr4x4....showtopic=73397 My build is slow as well and as cheaply as humanly possible! G I’ve been following your build with interest – and I know what you mean about the slow+cheap way of doing things! You have a PM re the spacers CAD file. What are people’s feelings re disc shields? They sound like more hassle (mud+stone trap) than they are worth, though I guess it depends on your on-road/off-road driving mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 I'm running without mud shields since 2008. But hardly go off-road. I still rate this conversion as one of the best improvements on my vehicle. I've used 200Tdi parts and angle grinder cut spacers. Just replaced the brake pads and discs the other day due to hub seal leak. (discs now Mintex in stead of Paddock performance, pads now genuine incl. shims to get rid of the noises while braking) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gremlin Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 No Mud shields for me. Pm replied and file sent................ G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan bomber Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 I took my brake shields off my 110 and sold the to Ralph/Western...... Your ment to have them for MOT's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 I have converted a drum braked 110 Salisbury axle to discs for my 109 (using Discovery brakes as I got the whole brakes system froma Discovery along with a front axle, so the calliper and home-brew calliper spacer work shouldn't affect you). I retained the original stub axles, half shafts and drive flanges, using wide bearing 90/110 front hubs. The discs are 90 and RRC/Discovery plain front and Defender 110 rear discs (same part for all applications), as used on my modified (Discovery) front axle. You can have a look at what I did at the following links: http://www.nicksland...ar-axle-part-3/ http://www.nicksland...ar-axle-part-4/ http://www.nicksland...mpleted-part-5/ The issue of mudshields polarises opinion. They are meant to prevent splashing of road spray onto the discs, but more importantly, they stop and grease or oil from leaking swivels, engines and transmissions from contaminating the brakes. On the down side, they can trap mud and stones, abrading the pads and scoring the discs. Brake cooling should also be greater with the shields removed. I think the benefits of inclusion versus omission vary depending on the use of the vehicle and how well maintained it is - a vehicle used for lots of mud plugging or roack crawling is probably going to benefit from their removal, especially if it isn't plagued by leaks, while a leaky vehicle mainly used on road or lanes is going to be better with them fitted... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UdderlyOffroad Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Ok hit a brick wall It foesn't dit!! by udderlyoffroad, on Flickr I can't get the hub on far enough to even start the thread on the first nut. I've used the 'genuine LR' solution, I.e. 300 tdi hubs and calliper brackets without the need for a spacer. I think the issue is that I've used a stub axle from a 300 tdi-era Disco, not defender. Aha you say. Use the right bloomin part. But the thing is, it looks the same as the defender items, FTC1740, and nothing like the two options for the disco FRC8005 or FTC3188. Any ideas? Other than stop being a tight-wad and stump up for the correct stubs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 says here http://www.lrseries....SY.html?sort=za that FTC1740 is for defender salisbury rear axle 300tdi era vehicles, on these the hub bearings are closer together inside the hub, early 110 bearings are wider apart, that might be the stumbling point.FRC8005 is for Disco front axle http://www.lrseries.com/shop/product/listing/6659/FRC8005-STUB-AXLE-FRONT-AXLE.html?search=frc8005&page=1FTC3188 is for defender & disco rear axle serial numbers starting 60S,62l,63s http://www.lrseries....=FTC3188&page=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluehaze Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I'm watching this with interest - I'd like to go the factory route but don't want to spend much money. Due to the latter, I've only got the disks and pads so far. Therefore I need: Brake calipers Caliper brackets 200tdi Stub axles and??????? lots of advice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I'm watching this with interest - I'd like to go the factory route but don't want to spend much money. Due to the latter, I've only got the disks and pads so far. Therefore I need: Brake calipers Caliper brackets 200tdi Stub axles and??????? lots of advice! Not much more is needed, with parts above you will have to make two spacers 5-6mm thick to go between the caliper and the bracket. And maybe a suitable spacer for the hub lock nut + some longer caliper bolts. All can be found as standard parts. I rate it as an easy and durable conversion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 use 110 front stub axles, rear calipers can be found on ebay, caliper brackets most likely be new parts. http://www.lrseries.com/shop/product/listing/14700/FTC3306-HD-REAR-AXLE-CALIPER-MOUNTING.html?search=caliper%20bracket&page=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluehaze Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Do I still need the spacers if I buy those brackets - if so why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UdderlyOffroad Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 says here http://www.lrseries....SY.html?sort=za that FTC1740 is for defender salisbury rear axle 300tdi era vehicles, on these the hub bearings are closer together inside the hub, early 110 bearings are wider apart, that might be the stumbling point. I might well have done something stupid like picked up the wrong hubs - but i'll have look. Was too late to go outside tonight after finishing my various jobs. I think I might print out some pictures of the various hub p/ns for comparison just to make sure. Thanks Ralph, will report back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluehaze Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Are disco stub axles and calliper brackets the same as defender ones? I've seen a disco rear axle with discs and was wondering if I could transplant the relevant parts. Bearing in mind mine is a 110 csw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Discovery caliper brackets are part of the rear axle case, not removeable seperate parts like the 110 brackets, http://lrcat.com/#32/4/45228 rear stub axle is here http://www.brit-car.co.uk/product.php?xProd=86511&xSec=5497 says 90 but not 110. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluehaze Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Many thanks - I won't be bidding on a set of disco axles then.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 going to use 110 front stub axles & hubs on my conversion, when I get round to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gremlin Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Ralph, 110 front stub axles will not work for a rear conversion. Only the front hubs will work. For all of you trying this out, try using the drum brake stub axles. The earlier ones fit straight on with hub nuts and washers all fitting well with the front 110 hubs. That is how i did mine. G 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 just reread my notes from diesel jim who used to be on here & has done this same conversion to a rear drum braked 110 salisbury axle, he used the rear stub s of a rear drum braked salisbury, not the front stubs, I've got these stubs & hubs in my garage waiting me to clean & fit apologies for the confusion. it's been a long day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluehaze Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 That's great - so I only need the front hubs. Also: callipers calliper brackets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gremlin Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 And spacers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 maybe the spacers are only required if the mudshields are not fitted, as they have a bracket part that fits between axle bracket & caliper.which is approx 5mm thick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 maybe the spacers are only required if the mudshields are not fitted, as they have a bracket part that fits between axle bracket & caliper.which is approx 5mm thick That does make sense.... I've build mine without mudshields and with the 'Diesel Jim' style angle grinder spacers. Brakes have been faultless since 2008! Western, just start yours and enjoy rear disc brakes, I did build mine within two days prior a Southern France holiday so it's not that much work if parts are on the shelve. Only fault I did make is to fit Paddock's drilled performance (carp) discs + no anti squeal shims... so driving in Nice was a lot of fun. Right now I do have Mintex discs and LR pads + shims, silent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 got to get discs & a few more bits yet, I'm sure it's a easy swap, having a dry/non windy place to work would be good too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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