landrover598 Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Anyone know where i can find out the lb/in rates of my orange springs ? I've given them a call, but they are as much use as a chocolate fireguard They are TDi Range Rover +1" I need to replace them with something softer to give me more flex. Anyone ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landmannnn Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 In my experience"rock hard"! Much stiffer than original equipment. In defence of the orange supplier (sorry) they are a sensible option if you want bling on the high street, less body roll. Plenty of proper off road kit out there...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover598 Posted June 8, 2006 Author Share Posted June 8, 2006 Yep, your right, they are way too hard, got about another 2" of upward flex on the rear which the springs wong let me get to, front is almost rigid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 we are talking scrapiron springs right? my +2 springs are great- like marshmallow- as much flex as you like- there's not a chance that they are +2 anymore but they flex like buggery! try breaking them in a bit- i reckon the sag they get after time is a good thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover598 Posted June 8, 2006 Author Share Posted June 8, 2006 They've been on my hybrid for about 7 months now, and were on the donor rangy for about a year before i had it The ride hight is perfect for the back, just need more give Fronts need to go up by no more than an inch, but need to give a lot more than now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark90 Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Get your front and rear axle weights measured at a weigh bridge an then it should be possible to calculate which springs will give you the desired ride height and some more flex too. I suspect red/whites will give you too much lift if you want to keep the ride height you have now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover598 Posted June 8, 2006 Author Share Posted June 8, 2006 Get your front and rear axle weights measured at a weigh bridge an then it should be possible to calculate which springs will give you the desired ride height and some more flex too. Good idea, only problem, where do i find a weigh bridge around here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 In my experience"rock hard"! Much stiffer than original equipment. In defence of the orange supplier (sorry) they are a sensible option if you want bling on the high street, less body roll. Plenty of proper off road kit out there...... Mine are very good. Whatever else can be said about Scrairon and their products, the springs on my Landrover are ace. They may be a little stiffer than stock and do not allow it to wallow all over the road when cornering but they a still plenty soft enough to give a good ride off road and they will allow the rear tyres to touch the insides of the wheel arches so I guess they are soft enough too. When I bought them, several years ago, I was asked on the telephone what car they were for and what kind of load I usually carry. I have been pleased with them since day one - and after all the tales of defective springs they have been subject to some scrutiny too! I have no complaints. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover598 Posted June 8, 2006 Author Share Posted June 8, 2006 do not allow it to wallow all over the road when cornering I agree with you there, they do give a nice ride, minimal body roll, and feel good in the corners But i'm not happy with the flex so they've got to go Hoping to get more flex with a softer spring, and then try and restore road manners with some anti roll bars (disconnectable obviously ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Erm................ new - ie fitted and not used, not even off the driveway : NSF 4000 lbs OSF 2700 lbs NSR 128.88 lbs OSR 10693 lbs Slight Use - shortly after say a trip to tescos (incs say 1 Speed Bump) NSF 40.2 lbs OSF 220 lbs NSR 228.88 lbs OSR 63 lbs Heavy use - say mounting a kerb, or carrying 3 hamsters 50 miles NSF F Knows OSF F Knows NSR F Knows OSR F Knows Phone call to SIR : NSF absolutely normal as new no issues no problem its fitting / driver error OSF absolutely normal as new no issues no problem its fitting / driver error NSR absolutely normal as new no issues no problem its fitting / driver error OSF absolutely normal as new no issues no problem its fitting / driver error Probably not being much help am I ? Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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landmannnn Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 There are plenty of weighbridges around, transport companies, builders merchants etc. Question Having got the axle weights what happens next? Does anyone have a simple formula to guide spring rates against axle weights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover598 Posted June 8, 2006 Author Share Posted June 8, 2006 Does anyone have a simple formula to guide spring rates against axle weights? I'm sure i've seen a program somewhere on the net where you can select different rates for weights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Yep, In all seriousness Trevs (LR90 - Admin here) website has a superb piece of kit : IMHO this should be in the 'tech archive' as a basic starting point for suspension queries, absolutely essential kit, if not a "godsend"... you'll need a weighbridge ticket total / LR Front only / rear only = (3x weighs) ....to really be of use....but boy is it Ta Trev Nige http://www.lr90.shacknet.nu/lr90/calculator.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover598 Posted June 8, 2006 Author Share Posted June 8, 2006 Thats the one, i'm sure i'll be using that in the future Some pics to show the lack of compression There's about 2" between the tub and the tyre (not chopped the tub out yet) and about 3" to go up in the damper A-frame ball joint will be going, as soon as i can think of something to replace it with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELVIS Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 abanant tip has a weighbridge ( on the right near the incinerators/commercial waste bit) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover598 Posted June 8, 2006 Author Share Posted June 8, 2006 Thanks Elvis, I'll give them a try next time i'm going that way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Erm................new - ie fitted and not used, not even off the driveway : NSF 4000 lbs OSF 2700 lbs NSR 128.88 lbs OSR 10693 lbs Slight Use - shortly after say a trip to tescos (incs say 1 Speed Bump) NSF 40.2 lbs OSF 220 lbs NSR 228.88 lbs OSR 63 lbs Heavy use - say mounting a kerb, or carrying 3 hamsters 50 miles NSF F Knows OSF F Knows NSR F Knows OSR F Knows Phone call to SIR : NSF absolutely normal as new no issues no problem its fitting / driver error OSF absolutely normal as new no issues no problem its fitting / driver error NSR absolutely normal as new no issues no problem its fitting / driver error OSF absolutely normal as new no issues no problem its fitting / driver error Probably not being much help am I ? Nige Is that what they call "variable rate springs" then...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 i dont know the ratings but two options could be 1. Get Pugwash to sit in your wagon for a while that will help them settle down (very) quickly! 2. Change makes, i run procomps and find them superb, 255/85 touch tub on compressions, give +2" height and plently of droop!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 Yep,In all seriousness Trevs (LR90 - Admin here) website has a superb piece of kit : IMHO this should be in the 'tech archive' as a basic starting point for suspension queries, absolutely essential kit, if not a "godsend"... you'll need a weighbridge ticket total / LR Front only / rear only = (3x weighs) ....to really be of use....but boy is it Ta Trev Nige http://www.lr90.shacknet.nu/lr90/calculator.aspx Did sir check the tech section/index/suspension? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 Pah 'Sir' did it before "One" pulled "Ones" finger out and sorted the tech archive out Look, thats me story and I'm sticking too it ................. my excuse lame as it is is the best I can do Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 i dont know the ratings but two options could be1. Get Pugwash to sit in your wagon for a while that will help them settle down (very) quickly! yeah but then the car would lean on one side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 nah, you could spend 5mins in each seat?!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 You could try Bearmach springs, BA 2256 (front) and 2257 (rear). These give +2" lift, but are soft springs specifically for off-road use on a RR. Not suitable for towing or load carrying mind. Try Jim at Gigglepin if you want a good steer. 01732 464393. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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