Landy-Novice Posted May 27, 2011 Author Share Posted May 27, 2011 freezer, i read that they always leak and im not insuring it EVER and a body that aint fill of dents and some splits, the previous previous owner off roaded it! shame really! and the steering will have to wait till i got an mot, (it aint had one since '04 and it shows!!!!!) chop the chassis??? thats why im goin to use a p38 box, no chopping required! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 im not insuring it EVER - OK, I got confused with the posts bitching about insurance the steering will have to wait till i got an mot - Why have an MOT if you're not insuring it? chop the chassis??? thats why im goin to use a p38 box, no chopping required! - but you still need to do some other fabrication cutting & welding so it's not exactly a lot of effort. Maybe driving with no PAS will toughen you up a bit, I seriously doubt you've managed to stick big enough tyres on to make it unsteerable - mainly 'cos the axles will snap first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disco2hse Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Here is an illustration of the amount of work that is actually required. Note also the references to having welds x-rayed before the mods were certified. AULRO PS conversion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moore101 Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 A series with standard engine shouldn't need power steering for a youngster like yourself. I'm only 20 and by no means strong and I used to manage with standard steering. The only reason I'm changing to PAS during the rebuild is because my 14inch steering wheel, insa turbo special tracks and V8 led to me not being able to turn due to so much torque steer (straightening it up) which resulted in me falling in a hole and rolling. I'd concentrate on other things before you start messing about with power steering. As for all this arguing about being competent to carry out the work, carbs are much more simple to sort than trying to do a P38 PAS conversion, that as far as I know isn't documented anywhere if done at all, so might be worth sorting something a bit more basic first. I'm not going to get too involved in insurance but I pay £1680 fully comp on my lightweight with 3.5 V8, defender gearbox and rangerover axles (still on leaf springs) with NFU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landy-Novice Posted May 31, 2011 Author Share Posted May 31, 2011 cheers disco2hse, that will be a help and moore101, what company was that??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 My 109 has a hell of a lot of extra nose weight pushing its 235 tyres (an inch or so wider than 7.50s) onto the tarmac, and despite having a 15" Metro steering wheel, steering damper and 7" wheels with 42mm greater offset than Series' 5.5" rims (sorry about the mixed units), my relatively small built wife has no trouble except with town parking. She has no trouble at all with the standard steering on her Lightweight. If you are doing a lot of RTV trialling or are using massive tyres, then PAS is more relevant, but for relatively standard sized wheels and tyres, it's an expense and complication that you really don't need, especially at your age. By the way, what do you mean by not insuring it? MoT testing it implies use on road, public areas or private pay and play sites, all of which would also require insurance (3rd party minimum). If you plan to own the vehicle and be the main driver, then (as I understand it), you must by law insure it in your name, not be a named driver on someone else's policy. The exception would be if you plan only to use the vehicle on private land which has no public access, in which case an MoT is also not required. I think you need to check up on vehicle legalities and costs before you start messing about with the vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landy-Novice Posted May 31, 2011 Author Share Posted May 31, 2011 (edited) snagger, im never going to insure it! id prefere to buy disco V8 once it has an mot, im giving it to mum, insurance for her is like £150 Edited May 31, 2011 by Daan never use a big word where a diminishing one will suffice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeyw Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 snagger, im never going to insure it! id prefere to buy disco V8 once it has an mot, im giving it to mum, insurance for her is like £150 It may only cost £150 for your mum to insure, for her to drive. If you are hoping she'll add you to her policy, the price will leap up considerably. Oh and since you're planing to mod the hell out of this truck, you must be planning to put your mum's life at risk too You may get big ambitious ideas reading on here and many other forums [fora?], but remember, the people who have taken time to write up their projects will have many years experience over you. They will have learned the hard way [no internet forums back then], and have put a LOT of research into their projects. Many are also professional engineers/fabricators and are capable of doing a job to a very high standard. Another thing - why on earth put a K&N on an off road vehicle??? Quickest way I can think of to destroy your carb when it sucks a ton of off road dirt in. The old oil bath air cleaners are very good. If it's an image thing, a sticker on the truck will suffice When you are starting out, just drive a standard truck, learn what it is capable of, then decide what you'd like changed. After all, you haven't even learned to drive on the road yet! Don't assume everything you read about is true. Everyone has differing opinions about a whole range of LR related topics. Once you have amassed some experience of the subject you may find you don't agree with others. Spend your time, hours and hours of it, searching and reading. Then ask questions. You will find a lot of very knowledgable and helpful people on this forum and others. However it's pretty obvious when someone hasn't done their homework before asking endless questions. Strangely people can become somewhat less helpful when confronted by that situation I can sense Fridge's patience wearing thinner as this topic grows. You will also find people more helpful when you ask well structured questions, learn to use a keyboard correctly. Learn where the shift and enter keys are too, it will make your posts so much easier to read. Good luck with your new hobby, and have patience. Cor blimey, sorry for the length of post guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuck Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 snagger, im never going to insure it! id prefere to buy disco V8 once it has an mot, im giving it to mum, insurance for her is like £150 Hmm, insuring a V8 disco at 17 should be fun! Good luck with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 It may only cost £150 for your mum to insure, for her to drive. If you are hoping she'll add you to her policy, the price will leap up considerably. Oh and since you're planing to mod the hell out of this truck, you must be planning to put your mum's life at risk too You may get big ambitious ideas reading on here and many other forums [fora?], but remember, the people who have taken time to write up their projects will have many years experience over you. They will have learned the hard way [no internet forums back then], and have put a LOT of research into their projects. Many are also professional engineers/fabricators and are capable of doing a job to a very high standard. Another thing - why on earth put a K&N on an off road vehicle??? Quickest way I can think of to destroy your carb when it sucks a ton of off road dirt in. The old oil bath air cleaners are very good. If it's an image thing, a sticker on the truck will suffice When you are starting out, just drive a standard truck, learn what it is capable of, then decide what you'd like changed. After all, you haven't even learned to drive on the road yet! Don't assume everything you read about is true. Everyone has differing opinions about a whole range of LR related topics. Once you have amassed some experience of the subject you may find you don't agree with others. Spend your time, hours and hours of it, searching and reading. Then ask questions. You will find a lot of very knowledgable and helpful people on this forum and others. However it's pretty obvious when someone hasn't done their homework before asking endless questions. Strangely people can become somewhat less helpful when confronted by that situation I can sense Fridge's patience wearing thinner as this topic grows. You will also find people more helpful when you ask well structured questions, learn to use a keyboard correctly. Learn where the shift and enter keys are too, it will make your posts so much easier to read. Good luck with your new hobby, and have patience. Cor blimey, sorry for the length of post guys. I think we will frame the above and pin it to the top of each section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landy-Novice Posted May 31, 2011 Author Share Posted May 31, 2011 less of that happy old git lol and stuck, i ain't ever going to be able to insure a car even a v8 just how lift sucks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeyw Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 less of that happy old git lol and stuck, i ain't ever going to be able to insure a car even a v8 just how lift sucks!! < O/T bit here, but hopefully for the benefit of the O/P> You will be able to insure a car... as long as you start out with something sensible, learn to drive it safely and develop a clean driving record (insurance wise and with the Rozzas). Then, when you are a few years older the insurance companies will look more favourably on you as a good risk and start to offer you premiums that you can actually afford to pay annually rather than monthly. My first car was a 1 litre Ford Fiesta, not the worse car around, but importantly it was in the lowest insurance group. IIRC it cost me around £300 a year third party only, about the same as it costs me 23 years later for my V8 Range Rover fully comp </ O/T bit> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Given that they're bringing in continuous insurance anyway - get on eBay, buy yourself the cheapest wreck you can, park it on the drive and insure it NOW. By the time you *can* drive you'll have a year or more NCB. Also - what Mickey said, if you buy a "good" car you'll race round and stack it. Rise above the chav brigade and run a stock 4-pot landy with a rag top, as a friend once pointed out to me (too late for me alas) - given the choice between bouncing round in that in the sunshine and being crammed into a sh*tty corsa with a ton of speakers you know where the girls will go on a sunny day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRecklessEngineer Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Given the choice between bouncing round in that in the sunshine and being crammed into a sh*tty corsa with a ton of speakers you know where the girls will go on a sunny day So true! (From experience...) I think 14 of them was the record in a SWB:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 So true! (From experience...) I think 14 of them was the record in a SWB:D That's a lot of bouncing - must've been terrible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzar Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 That's a lot of bouncing - must've been terrible Most I ever fitted in was 9! And hard to explain to the police when they pulled me over!! G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 That's a lot of bouncing - must've been terrible Back in the days when I was young, single and drove Series on a daily basis I've had some who quite happily accepted the odd bounce in the back Enough of this frivolity - back to the serious stuff and I'll get back to the serious business of trying to find a nice Series 1 or 2 to buy in which I will attempt to relive my youth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 So true! (From experience...) I think 14 of them was the record in a SWB:D I took my whole Squadron into Lincoln one night many years ago and about the same again into Barnstaple about a year later, but at least I had the space of a 109! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addams Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 hello, I'm Stephan, I'm french and I drive a TDI with 88 S3 assisted steering P38 Here is a picture thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeyw Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 Hi Stephan, and welcome to LR4x4. Is this an ongoing project? Do you have any more photos looking from the opposite sides? I am trying to understand how the bottom of your steering column is fixed in position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landy-Novice Posted August 28, 2011 Author Share Posted August 28, 2011 welcome!! <img class="bbc_emoticon" alt="" src="http://forums.lr4x4.com/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif"> <br><br>as mickey said any more photos of the column inside and out, what's it from as well?? cheer <img class="bbc_emoticon" alt="" src="http://forums.lr4x4.com/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif"><br> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addams Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 Here's how the box is fixed And column Sorry for my English But google translation is my friend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejparrott Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 what's it from as well?? could it be.... assisted steering P38 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landy-Novice Posted August 28, 2011 Author Share Posted August 28, 2011 could it be.... ok ok, i got that bit i was only wondering what the part attached to the bulkhead was from, addams, could i have some photos from inside please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuko Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 ok ok, i got that bit i was only wondering what the part attached to the bulkhead was from, addams, could i have some photos from inside please? Another vague comment Mr. Novice, are you talking about the Defender steering column? .....or something else?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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