Anderzander Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Just seen this on the BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34541834 Oil changes done like changing a printer cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GW8IZR Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 How long before we as LR owners end up drilling the top of the housing and fitting a filler and dipstick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted October 17, 2015 Author Share Posted October 17, 2015 It mentions the engine pumping oil back into it - so do you think they have an electric pump to empty the system into the cartridge ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GW8IZR Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Reading this suggests that is the case: How does Nexcel work?Nexcel works rather like the ink cartridge in your printer. It contains the engine oil and filter, as well as electronics to interface with your car for management. The exact amount of motor oil needed is pumped out of Nexcel into the engine to then circulate and lubricate as normal, returning to the Nexcel unit to pass through the filter. It can work in a wet or dry sump system, depending on the requirements of the car. With Nexcel, the idea is that you'll always be using the right amount of oil and the right type of oil, with a close interface between the car's management systems and Nexcel. When it comes to changing the engine oil, you'll select a service setting on the car's management system. The oil will be pumped back into Nexcel and the entire oil cell is removed. The new oil cell is then slotted into the housing and the required amount of oil is pumped out again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoSS Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 In principle it sounds like a good idea. But then we all know the difference between the cost of some ink, and a printer cartridge. Unfortunately once you tie into a custom brand format, they can do what they like with the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 I can't see the benefit over a sump and a suction tube? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Faster servicing, but at greater cost. And with the ability to force the use of manufacturers own cartridges/oil, at least for a while. I can see many advantages for them, not so many for the consumer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GW8IZR Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 it does rather look like a solution looking for a problem to solve. I suppose if you are a main dealer all those 20 minute savings over a year might make a fair difference and you could use unskilled labour for that task.. Dunno, interesting but not likely to be something I need to worry about, the way the world is going I'm more likely to need a bale of hay for a donkey than an oil change :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Draining the oil by a main dealer is just a tube stuck down the dipstick and leave it to suck, so takes less than a minute of technician time to complete. Oil filter... Well if they bother changing them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted October 18, 2015 Author Share Posted October 18, 2015 It seems to mention a precise amount of oil being delivered - I wonder if it has other functionality from being isolated and presumably ECU controlled ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoSS Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Yes i'm sure its ECU controlled. It has the advantage that only the correct oil is used (or tied in to expensive brand) and the article infers that it will automatically top up the engine as required, so it must keep a bit of reserve in the cartridge. But i bet the reduced cost of servicing wont be passed on to the customer. As mentioned before its printer cartridges in another form, and theres not one of us out there that think they are good value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Reason ink cartridges work I think is that people change them their selfes and don't want to get their hands dirty in an office. With a car, you take it for a service, were you pay people to get their hands dirty regardless. Hardly any normal person changes oil on their car anymore these days. Daan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwakers Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 'cept most people on this forum of course. but then we're not normal.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 'cept most people on this forum of course. but then we're not normal.... Correct conclusion. It helps that we can just lie under our cars, where with most normal cars you can't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigelw Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Correct conclusion. It helps that we can just lie under our cars, where with most normal cars you can't. I spent 15 minutes hunting high and low in the engine bay of my boss's Audi RS6 for the dipstick to double check the computers recommended "oil now" message, took a call to main dealer to find out it don't have one This thing is the next step for manufacturers to isolate drivers even further from their cars, "most" cars still have a dipstick for the driver to check the oil level. funny, i thought this was a thread on the new trend of plastic oil filter housings and going back to old paper disposable elements Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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