Farmerfred Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Don't know if this has been mentioned but there is new legislation being introduced, in the case of building a Land Rover using a later engine and other parts and putting them into an earlier model that is classed as 'historic' or 'VED exempt' will no longer be permitted and as such the vehicle will loose it's VED exempt status. Likewise for those who have de-catted their exhaust system, if the vehicle was fitted with a Cat at manufacture, it has to be re-fitted, otherwise, no MOT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Do you have any links at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I think this is more European than over here. That said, if you fail the points system and get a new reg then your historic status is out anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoggyN Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 This is old news, from 2014. However, the changes are supposed to be introduced next year. They seem to hinge on what the DfT decrees are "substantial changes" from how the car was built. I must admit, it has made me hang back on putting a V8 in my S1. http://www.motester.co.uk/mot-news/mot-news/new-eu-mot-rules-starting-from-2017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoggyN Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Just looked at the link I posted again and thought it said "molester". I think I need to clean this screen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Is it just me that thinks MOT exemption is a terrible idea? I certainly don't really find it any sort of problem to have to MOT a vehicle every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoggyN Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 The EU want MoT's every two years and exemption after 30. I am not a fan of EU "one size fits all" meddling. The different states that make up the US seem to have a great deal of autonomy yet manage to trade with each other and abroad perfectly well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I for one do NOT want them meddling and introducing TUV-style approval for every nut and bolt you put on your car. We have a great motoring heritage in this country of old men with beards in sheds making great things, that would all be lost, and the motoring aftermarket industry with it. vote leave.EU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I was under the impression it had been rejected by the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Drumstick Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Is it just me that thinks MOT exemption is a terrible idea? I certainly don't really find it any sort of problem to have to MOT a vehicle every year. I know exactly where you are coming from, I would have no objections either. But if you have a car like this: There is almost nothing on it that the MoT checks for anyhow. And the things it would check it would probably fail on, even when new. So is there any point in taking it for an MoT if all you do is drive up, the inspector simply says PASS, as there is no point looking at it, and you pay a fee for the privilege. Maybe 1960 as a cut off was a little over generous, but I suspect it's a numbers game. Something like 0.001% of cars on the road are pre 1960 and MoT exempt. And out of those I suspect most of them probably do way less than 1000 miles a year, maybe even less than a 100 miles a year. And mostly short distance or single journeys. So 'real' risk is actually very low. Sure there will always be exceptions, like some VW Campers, Beatles, S1 Landy's and some Morris Minors... but they too are probably a minority. And lets not forget a rather key thing (that everyone always forgets when discussing this). Your MoT exempt vehicle still needs to be fit for the road. If you are stopped or involved in an RTA/RTI and it isn't, you'll likely be treated the same as someone driving without an MoT (of which there are many anyhow...) The only real difference is these vehicles are not compulsory tested annually. You can still voluntary test them however and they should still be kept to the same standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmerfred Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 What I started this thread about was the issue with the road Tax status of a vehicle rebuilt with parts from different eras, not the MOT, that applies to any vehicle post 1960. As for MOT on vintage and veteran vehicles, the areas checked will be the same as any modern vehicle, brakes, lights, chassis, steering components, wheel bearings, tyres and even the seat mountings but now any pre 1960 registered vehicle is MOT exempt, the reasoning behind the introduction of this was that owners of such vehicles generally maintain and repair their vehicles far better than others but that does not mean it will not be subject to a roadworthiness inspection at any time that the powers to be decide to pull you over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejparrott Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I do my best to keep the motors in the best shape I can, but I do occasionally miss things. I like my MoT man because he's strict, and he finds the bit's I've missed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmerfred Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 Johnny Cash should have worked in the Land Rover factory, he could of had a good vehicle that looked like what it should be after several decades of going home after work with 'one piece at a time'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoggyN Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 The MoT for my S1 takes about 10 - 15 minutes because there isn't much to test. Not even seat mountings as there aren't any. Unfortunately, the computer makes us wait for an hour before it will spew out the pass certificate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supaimpy Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Its already here this thread shows it http://retrorides.proboards.com/thread/36896/1953-anglia-iva-rebuild-on?page=78 The guy has a 1953 car , its attracted attention and had the Registration removed and now he has to IVA it. Someone reported it or it got seen by someone in authority Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoggyN Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 That's a 1953 body shell, not a 1953 car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejparrott Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 It's no wonder that got pulled! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supaimpy Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 whether you class it as a car or a bodyshell the principle is the same, it isn't what HENRY built. If he had boxed the original chassis would it of been a car not a bodyshell and would it be worthy of free road tax and MOT exempt? The car /bodyshell doesn't score enough points to hold its registration and going back to the OP point that new legislation is coming i'm saying its not needed or necessary as its already covered by exiting statue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmerfred Posted March 24, 2016 Author Share Posted March 24, 2016 Should the last but one word in the above read 'existing'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoggyN Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Yes, and I suspect that the last word shouldn't be statue either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Not my cup of tea that's for sure... not exactly the same type of vehicle mods that are discussed on the major parts of this forum other than in the "Modified Vehicle Builds & Special Projects" section... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Difficult to see how he thought he could retain the body donor's VIN, given that everything else has been changed and the body parts used radically altered. While it's not to my taste, it's still beautifully done and quite and interesting read. He really suffers OCD with the paint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmerfred Posted March 28, 2016 Author Share Posted March 28, 2016 Did anyone read the article in one of the magazines about the second hand chassis fitted? it was not accepted by the powers that be because of the number on it, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 A vehicle can only retain the original VIN if rebuilt on the original, unmodified chassis (repairs are allowed, not mods) or a brand new chassis of equivalent specification (ie same wheel base, same suspension mounts and overall configuration, etc), with supporting evidence of the purchase or manufacture of the new chassis. Using a second hand chassis is permitted, but the car must go through a VIC (to ensure no parts are from illegal sources) in addition to getting a new VIN and losing tax exemption if it previously applied. That has been the case for well over a decade. You seem to be presenting a lot of old information as new. Check your dates before saying there have been changes, as you could cause undue concern to someone with a project on the go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmerfred Posted March 28, 2016 Author Share Posted March 28, 2016 No dates of when these changes came in have been mentioned, it's just the fact that there have been changes so there's no 'presumption' about it. Some of this may be 'old news' to some but the first time re-builder may not be aware of them, I presume they may not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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