DC_ Posted July 24, 2016 Author Share Posted July 24, 2016 Here is the other pulley set.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_ Posted July 24, 2016 Author Share Posted July 24, 2016 Like so...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve b Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 yeah , that's it DC , make sure the 2 bolt's are screwed well in and go for it cheers Steveb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 My thoughts too^^^^ Remove the bolts and the pulley and then you can bolt a puller into the centre of the damper - I.e inside the rubber damper portion. You'll get a better pull then IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_ Posted July 24, 2016 Author Share Posted July 24, 2016 Just back from the Ironmongers..... Crank wouldn't stop turning even though in gear. Crank holder now in place with new bolts. Here goes ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_ Posted July 24, 2016 Author Share Posted July 24, 2016 Arghhhhhhh bloody thing !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Some types of loctite are actually a very powerful adhesive and are strong enough to negate the need for the bolt if used properly. The crank pully would definitely come loose if the bolt was missing for any lemgth of time. A blowtorch will have to be fixed in place for so long that the damper will be damaged before the heat will soak in far enough to have any effect. If the crank nose had been damaged in the past, then it's common practice to use Loctite or similar (real steel, epoxy, etc). I've done this myself and it does work very well, but removal of the pulley in the future is murder. Heat will soften the adhesive, and that is what you need to exploit. Put the puller on and tighten it as much as you can, then apply heat. After a while try to tighten the puller, and if you can then keep on going and it'll eventually come off. I can't see how you could cut it off as you would wreck the timing case at the same time. Les Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaky40 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 With your last setup can you get to the bottom of the pulley from the underneath? Perhaps have the puller done up as tight as you can and get underneath and encourage it with a hammer, hammer and bit of wood (less damage to anything hopefully) or some such item. Gently to begin with, a couple of taps then turn it a bit then gently tap then turn it a little bit. Or tap it then turn it 180 degrees and then tap it then turn it 180 degrees and so on. Also whilst it's under stress From the puller use a blow torch with the heat idea as mentioned a few times. I think your at that point now. Angle grinding it as mentioned earlier, down to the crankshaft a thus splitting it to release the tension???? Did this with a rear brake drum/wheel bearing once. I assume from your earlier post you have a spare pulley from your mates donor engine? Fingers crossed for your release!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaky40 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Hi Les, I was writing my last post then got a call on the landline. Came back the post, finished and posted. Then I see you were there with your reply!!!! I think we all pretty much agree that heat is the enemy of such stuck items. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat_pending Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 To get the heat where it's needed you'll need to get the pulley section off the damper so it looks like this Then you can concentrate the heat on the front of the damper boss, here If it's on with Loctite it will smoke when the bond breaks, have the puller on and keep tightening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Hmm if it's not moving with that I'll be looking at trying to sacrifice the damper... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_ Posted July 24, 2016 Author Share Posted July 24, 2016 Right backs aching, hands sore, arms jelly..... Whining over. It must be on there solid with what Les and others are saying. I het it up a fair bit with the blow torch. Had the pulley on it. Then other ideas so took it off and on most of the day. Ok here's some thoughts/questions... 1). Will that much heat damage the crank shaft or engine in any way? 2). Would you separate the pulleys from the damper in the same way one at a time and will they get damaged? 3). Give me a minute and I'll think of somit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_ Posted July 24, 2016 Author Share Posted July 24, 2016 It's like cyclops staring out at me...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve b Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 whereabouts are you ? was just thinking someone maybe nearby to help ? cheers Steveb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_ Posted July 24, 2016 Author Share Posted July 24, 2016 Took me a minute but managed to update my settings to show. To be fair, my mate has done this 4 times already and knows a fair bit, hence why it's sitting in his driveway and not mine. If anyone is close by and has more experience feel free to contact me. For now it's back to teaching learners the rest of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Daft idea but I can sense desperation ! With the remaining two tapped holes, is there enough room to screw in two threaded bars, with tubes on and held captive by nuts to make two sliding hammers?Puller, heat, then hammer.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Damper and oil seals only will get damaged. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_ Posted July 24, 2016 Author Share Posted July 24, 2016 Paddy it's just frustration, not came across this ever ! Les, would you go for all pulleys and damper together or separate pulleys one by one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan bomber Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Where are you located? I can lend you my puller I made for this..... Hasn't let me down yet.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_ Posted July 24, 2016 Author Share Posted July 24, 2016 Vulcan, I'm in Scotland,..... We were thing to hook up some sort of hydraulic puller using a bottle jack and threaded M8 lengths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve b Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Use all 4 M8 bolts for max tensile strength if you can , I'm going to remind you about fast chilling with a hose pipe after heating , if you can scrap the damper heat the hub around the crank then chill , as hot as you can get it with a plumbers blowtorch and have the hose running before putting the puller on it cheers Steveb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_ Posted July 24, 2016 Author Share Posted July 24, 2016 Thanks Steve, So heat as hot as possible, then cool, then put puller on ? Many thanks for every single comment so far..... I am taking it all in. Slumberland calls for now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zim Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Have you got access to a hydraulic puller ? G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_ Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 No, we had to try get a decent puller set yesterday. That didn't do but will come in handy for future jobs I'm sure. We were thinking of making up our own hydraulic puller with the use of a bottle Jack and long M8 threads into the four tapped holes into the damper. I've no time today but the mate is off, he's going to try today get the pulleys off one by one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_ Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 Update.... The mate was fabricating a makeshift puller then went to weld it and the welder isn't working today (must be a Monday thing) Does anyone know of where best to source a replacement damper and twin pulley preferably spares? as the funds are low I can't afford brand new at the minute. We're a tad worried to try separate them one by one and damage them. (If they'll ever actually come off) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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