Hybrid 90 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Please can you advise on the following. Regarding a recently purchased 1970's Range Rover / Defender 90 Hybrid. Other than the original modified chassis, shortened to 93" and a defender rear crossmember, the rest of the mechanicals are std Range Rover, Defender, V8 engine, manual gearbox etc with an early 90 bulkhead and body panels. After reading forums about such hybrids. I am now concerned about the legality of my vehicle. The previous owner used the vehicle in its current hybrid form on the road with mot's for over fifteen years, beyond this I have no history. So my three questions are: If my hybrid was built pre the introduction of the IVA (circa 1997 iirc) is it exempt from IVA regulations? If my hybrid was built prior to the IVA and is exempt how can I or the DVLA prove or disprove when it was converted into a hybrid? If neither of the above are relevant how practical is it to make my hybrid legal? People say not to concern myself as no one will ever know but there are so many fools on the road these days I prefer knowing my vehicle is legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) If it was built pre SVA/IVA the you don't need to do anything IIRC. https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-approval/exemptions-from-vehicle-approval Under the exemption subtitle it says - - cars and minibuses with 8 passenger seats or less (not including the driver) over 10 years old Edited February 5, 2022 by western Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid 90 Posted February 5, 2022 Author Share Posted February 5, 2022 Thank you Western I will check out your link. Regards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Found this post on Difflock forum http://forum.difflock.com/viewtopic.php?t=24464 Lots of info in our SVA/IVA sub forum https://forums.lr4x4.com/forum/31-svaiva/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid 90 Posted February 5, 2022 Author Share Posted February 5, 2022 Thank you I wil also check those links out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiftedDisco Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 @western - the link that you’ve provided for the LR4x4 IVA info doesn’t seem to work…. You also posted a similar comment in another thread which also seems to fail - can you help with where I might find the information? Many thanks… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Both work for me The LR4x4 link takes you to the sub forum then you have to click each link to read the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbeaumont Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Looks like the IVA forum is restricted access - if I sign out I can't see it. Not sure what you need though, @LiftedDisco is Settled In, which is enough for most things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 I think this was done loooong time back as it is a very contentious subject ............and we didn't want guests "Giving it large" and causing chaos ! Anyway I have bumped Mr Hybrid 90 to settled in should sort it ! Nige 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Cheers Nige, forgot it was a members only sub forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiftedDisco Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 @Hybrid_From_Hell - please could you do whatever is needed to allow me access to the IVA section? I’m currently (albeit slowly) building a Tornado which I’m intending putting through IVA to create a road legal vehicle and could do with any info, hints and assistance that might be to hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 9 hours ago, LiftedDisco said: @Hybrid_From_Hell - please could you do whatever is needed to allow me access to the IVA section? I’m currently (albeit slowly) building a Tornado which I’m intending putting through IVA to create a road legal vehicle and could do with any info, hints and assistance that might be to hand? Have you read my ibex build? I built mine to go through M1 IVA (car not commercial). Feel free to pm me if you have questions. @TSD is also building an ibex to go through IVA. To be honest I just built mine with the IVA manual in one hand. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 My write up, it was the SVA versus the IVA now, but in terms of testing and paperwork, I doubt it is much different. The car vs commercial bit is important, as the Commercial test regulations are about 10 pages, whereas the car test is several hundred of pages: Ps. we want a build thread for your Tornado project! Daan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 Bear in mind the car versus commercial thing has an effect on max speed on the road, insurance and congestion charge etc. All the above is why mine went through as a car. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carloz Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 So.. Just add a Defender 90 Chassis and we have no Hybrid issue any more? I don't understand why using a RRC chassis wich is shortend to about the same length of a standard 90 chassis. But well, it is done anyway. In the Netherlands there is the 1/3-2/3 rule: 1/3 can be changed when 2/3 stays original. Main parts are chassis (1/3), Driveline (1/3) and Body (1/3). So in this case RRC chassis (1/3) + axles / drive line (1/3) makes 2/3 original. Body of Defender is in this case the 1/3 "non original" part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveG Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Carloz said: So.. Just add a Defender 90 Chassis and we have no Hybrid issue any more? I don't understand why using a RRC chassis wich is shortend to about the same length of a standard 90 chassis. But well, it is done anyway. In the Netherlands there is the 1/3-2/3 rule: 1/3 can be changed when 2/3 stays original. Main parts are chassis (1/3), Driveline (1/3) and Body (1/3). So in this case RRC chassis (1/3) + axles / drive line (1/3) makes 2/3 original. Body of Defender is in this case the 1/3 "non original" part. It was simply down to the fact that RRC’s body tended to rust heavily whilst the chassis stayed intact. Defender bulkhead and body parts, at the time, we’re easy to source so hence lots of range rover classic/Defender bodied hybrids. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbeaumont Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 On 4/6/2022 at 9:30 AM, Carloz said: So in this case RRC chassis (1/3) + axles / drive line (1/3) makes 2/3 original. Body of Defender is in this case the 1/3 "non original" part. In the UK if the chassis is modified it's IVA time, regardless of anything else. You'll find plenty of discussion on here about exactly what constitutes a modified chassis and triggers this - not helped by the fact that there doesn't appear to be any consistency among the authorities responsible for this. I'm not going to venture an opinion on where that line lies, but a shortened chassis like @Hybrid 90's would definitely be modified. As he's already worked out in the original post, it'll come down to whether there vehicle was built before the rule came in, and whether he can prove it was. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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