miketomcat Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 I'm not a fan of the grenadier it's not close enought or far enough away from the defender for me. However this https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/ineos/362396/new-ineos-fusilier-electric-4x4-charges-grenadiers-smaller-and-greener-sibling Is close enough to the G wagon for me to like it. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ThreePointFive Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 What's the mpg? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy996 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 22 minutes ago, ThreePointFive said: What's the mpg? Not a clue, very little information is out yet. this is about the sum total of the published information, https://ineosgrenadier.com/en/gb/news/introducing-the-ineos-fusilier. It will be another Magna developed vehicle available as a BEV and a BEV with a REX, (ICE range extender). The rumour-mill suggests it will be lower, shorter, heavier and more expensive than the Grenadier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Radcliffe’s comments about European (including UK) policy forcing manufacturers and buyers alike into a soley BEV future were interesting. It seems he hold a view similar to Toyota, which is a far smarter and more balanced view than the idiots making policy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 16 hours ago, jeremy996 said: The rumour-mill suggests it will be lower, shorter, heavier and more expensive than the Grenadier. It may end up getting a lot of tax breaks in some countries though .. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 On 2/24/2024 at 5:28 AM, ThreePointFive said: What's the mpg? Obviously, the full battery version works in a different language! However, the one with the petrol motor could be interesting. A good friend's sister had a Nissan car with that system - a small petrol motor solely charging the battery and drive being only electric. Apparently, the motor turns on fairly regularly and revs its little heart out for a while, until the battery has enough charge, then turns completely off. It's a sensible system, because the charging motor only runs at peak efficiency and the electric drive loses little energy. I can't remember what he said the miles per gallon were but I remember it was outstanding. A bigger, heavier Fusilier with more wind resistance won't be outstanding but I'll bet it's well above 30 miles per gallon in general use. I'm definitely keen to see how that pans out. I'm also encouraged by the comment that their hydrogen vehicle would be ready now, if there was a refuelling network available... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 17 hours ago, deep said: Obviously, the full battery version works in a different language! However, the one with the petrol motor could be interesting. A good friend's sister had a Nissan car with that system - a small petrol motor solely charging the battery and drive being only electric. Apparently, the motor turns on fairly regularly and revs its little heart out for a while, until the battery has enough charge, then turns completely off. It's a sensible system, because the charging motor only runs at peak efficiency and the electric drive loses little energy. I can't remember what he said the miles per gallon were but I remember it was outstanding. A bigger, heavier Fusilier with more wind resistance won't be outstanding but I'll bet it's well above 30 miles per gallon in general use. I'm definitely keen to see how that pans out. I'm also encouraged by the comment that their hydrogen vehicle would be ready now, if there was a refuelling network available... That is my understanding, and it does make engineering, thermodynamic and straight common sense. Should be better in most respects than a typical hybrid and none of the range worries of a full BEV. I’m still concerned about the safety of lithium ion batteries, though, regardless of their size. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy996 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 I've signed up for the updates as they come, so I'll add them here. I really don't see me buying a Fusilier when they are released; my Grenadier will only be 3-4 years old and I intend to run it to expiry, (mine or its!) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Looking at the pictures provided and reading between the lines, does this look more like a Freelander2 type vehicle than a smaller Grenadier? Narrower, lower, smaller wheels, possibly independent suspension and possibly a monocoque? Or am I way off the mark? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 I had a look at a video last night that analysed the Fusilier based on the scant information currently available. The bloke agreed it was likely indespension and low, so I might be on the mark after all. Sadly, but understandably, Ineos is already branching into the mainstream... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Looks like a 5 door Jimny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePointFive Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 2/23/2024 at 4:56 PM, jeremy996 said: Not a clue, very little information is out yet. this is about the sum total of the published information, https://ineosgrenadier.com/en/gb/news/introducing-the-ineos-fusilier. It will be another Magna developed vehicle available as a BEV and a BEV with a REX, (ICE range extender). The rumour-mill suggests it will be lower, shorter, heavier and more expensive than the Grenadier. Sorry Jeremy, my poor attempt at humour. Interesting stuff that they're pursuing this though, not sure if it's a departure from their mission statement or a way to broaden the business to make the core product (Grenadier) more viable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 On 3/28/2024 at 2:10 PM, ThreePointFive said: Sorry Jeremy, my poor attempt at humour. Interesting stuff that they're pursuing this though, not sure if it's a departure from their mission statement or a way to broaden the business to make the core product (Grenadier) more viable. It’ll be how they meet the UK/EU regulations on selling a proportion of EVs and avoid those heavy fines on selling too many ICE cars. It isn’t a measure of Ratcliffe or Ineos’ faith in BEVs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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