Steve Warman Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Hi, Since changing my rear x member I'm without recovery points on the back. I've managed to get the old ones off but they've been on there for about 20 years and look in pretty rusty shape. The front ones are the same but still attached. Can I replace them with jate rings or should I put the old ones back on? I will only need the points when I break down (which has happened a bit too often at the moment) as I don't go off road at the moment. Any advice greatly appreciated. Thanks Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeyw Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Probably the cheapest and easiest recovery point I have used is a standard 50mm tow ball bolted in its normal place on the x member. All real Landrovers should have a tow ball. Can be found for around a fiver in most motor factors, most people I know seem to have enough of them just lying around to use as door stops. If you decide to ever use it for off road recovery make sure there's a decent spreader plate behind the x member. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotian Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Hmmm. I'm afraid I dont agree with your statment about real landrovers. I just put a tow ball on yesterday as I need to go and pick up a car on a trailer tomrrow and now I feel very much like a plastic 4x4 owner who has such limited capability off road with a huge plough at the back I think the best thing if you are not going to be off road is the tow ball. But for goodness sake, take it off if you want to do some real off roading and fit some decent recovery eyes or jate rings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milemarker Type S Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Hmmm. I'm afraid I dont agree with your statment about real landrovers. I just put a tow ball on yesterday as I need to go and pick up a car on a trailer tomrrow and now I feel very much like a plastic 4x4 owner who has such limited capability off road with a huge plough at the back I think the best thing if you are not going to be off road is the tow ball. But for goodness sake, take it off if you want to do some real off roading and fit some decent recovery eyes or jate rings. Or just make it so that the whole towing drop plate can be removed quickly and easily by pulling a pin out- oh and two M10 bolts as well... For a rear recovery point I would personally go with a pair of Jate rings- easy to fit and bomb proof... If you leave them behind then you know that you have also left the rear quarter chassis behind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeyw Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 I agree about the plough bit, but as Steve said he's not going off roading yet. Anyway I only meant bolt on a tow ball, not a drop plate as well. The ball on it's own won't cause a problem. My setup is a DB adjustable jobbie on a removable setup rather like scrapiron sell, only I made mine long before they did, and it's loads stronger [read heavier]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honitonhobbit Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Never use a 50mm ball hitch as a recovery point unless you are desperate - always use a pin hitch type so you can captivate the strop/towrope/master ring; always make sure it is a minimum of 3.5tonnes SWL and not one of those cr&p orange combination units Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Hi,Since changing my rear x member I'm without recovery points on the back. I've managed to get the old ones off but they've been on there for about 20 years and look in pretty rusty shape. The front ones are the same but still attached. Can I replace them with jate rings or should I put the old ones back on? I will only need the points when I break down (which has happened a bit too often at the moment) as I don't go off road at the moment. Any advice greatly appreciated. Thanks Steve I do hope your not reffering to the oval plates with the large hole in them, as these are the tiedown point for transporters defo not recovery points, Jate rings or the NATO hitch or pin type towing attachment is the best for rear recovery use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Warman Posted March 5, 2008 Author Share Posted March 5, 2008 Thanks for your replies. I curently have a standard tow ball fitted but not overly keen on using it as a recovery point in case it slips. I was thinking of putting hte jate rings in place of the original recovery eyes.... Ahh, just seen Westerns post and yes I do mean those oval eyes. I have some right up the front near the front of the chassis rails and had to get towed home by the AA the other weekend and he used it. Should I take the remaing ones out of the front and use the holes throught the chassis to fit jates?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ101 Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Tow-balls,,as their name suggests ,,, are Balls for Towing, not recovery !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Yep, if you do a search for jate rings, you'll find the correct part number & photo's of fitted ones. you will need the bolts/nuts too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ101 Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Ahh, just seen Westerns post and yes I do mean those oval eyes.I have some right up the front near the front of the chassis rails and had to get towed home by the AA the other weekend and he used it. Should I take the remaing ones out of the front and use the holes throught the chassis to fit jates?? Yep, remove the lashing eyes and fit jate rings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Warman Posted March 6, 2008 Author Share Posted March 6, 2008 Cheers all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diff Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Hi Steve, If you are just concerned about being recovered on the road, as your post implies, the standard lashing rings that you have are perfectly adequate. Every vehicle manufacturer provides a tow/lashing point on their vehicles. The Land Rover handbook specifically refers to them as tow points for recovery on the road. They are NOT suitable for heavy recovery offroad as has been stated. Regards, Diff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePointFive Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 I am looking for some rear recovery points, which jate rings are the one to go for? The paddocks ones are £17 but cheapest isn't usually best, so is the extra £15 for the first four offroad ones worth it? Also, if a rope has to bend around a steering guard to get to a jate ring on the front, that would be dangerous, wouldn't it? I assume the only safe thing is an uninterupted path from the recovery point to the other vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Warman Posted March 6, 2008 Author Share Posted March 6, 2008 Hi Steve,If you are just concerned about being recovered on the road, as your post implies, the standard lashing rings that you have are perfectly adequate. Every vehicle manufacturer provides a tow/lashing point on their vehicles. The Land Rover handbook specifically refers to them as tow points for recovery on the road. They are NOT suitable for heavy recovery offroad as has been stated. Regards, Diff Cheer Diff. It towed without a problem using the front lashing points but the ones on the back came off with the old x member and need to be replaced so I figure I might as well do the front at the same time. I'd rather have over rated recovery points than find it going wrong. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diff Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Cheer Diff.It towed without a problem using the front lashing points but the ones on the back came off with the old x member and need to be replaced so I figure I might as well do the front at the same time. I'd rather have over rated recovery points than find it going wrong. Steve I agree completely, if you are replacing, you might as well upgrade if you have even the slightest thoughts about needing something stronger in the future. Regards, Diff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 I have a ball/pin arrangement for sale. It bolts in the same place as a normal tow ball. The pin is captive, so can't be lost/nicked. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromit Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Also, if a rope has to bend around a steering guard to get to a jate ring on the front, that would be dangerous, wouldn't it? I assume the only safe thing is an uninterupted path from the recovery point to the other vehicle. What kind of steering guard do you have? Yes, the strop/line should not bind on the steering guard when attached. You might have to cut the guard for it to clear. Best method is to use a 1.5m strop attached to both jate rings and looped through your recovery strap. That way, the load is spread between both chassis rails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 I am looking for some rear recovery points, which jate rings are the one to go for? The paddocks ones are £17 but cheapest isn't usually best, so is the extra £15 for the first four offroad ones worth it?Also, if a rope has to bend around a steering guard to get to a jate ring on the front, that would be dangerous, wouldn't it? I assume the only safe thing is an uninterupted path from the recovery point to the other vehicle. Personally, I would go for the one piece (forged is the term, I think) ones as pictured below... Avoid the ones with two flat plates and a bit of bar welded between them. There are also wider versions available. There are part numbers for the genuine LR ones on here somewhere... There are a selection to choose from on ebay - hope the sellers don't mind me 'borrowing' their picture!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 The JATE Rings shown above are on this page http://defender110.nightmail.ru/Extracts/JATE%20Rings.pdf The wide throat jate rings for fitting with a steering guard are ZXC 9435: width is 97mm, against 85mm for the standard ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePointFive Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 I went to Land Rover today and asked them about Jate rings, the parts bloke couldn't find anything. Is that number for LR genuine ones? Maybe with a part number we will have more luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 both are LR Genuine numbers, tell him to look under military parts mine came from Dave Bowyer but can't find them on his website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePointFive Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 Thanks! Any idea how much they cost? I am hoping they'll be the best quality I can get within reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 not sure now, mine were 17quid each 14 years ago .genuine ones are drop forged IIRC. these are not genuine but will do the job.http://www.firstfour.co.uk/index.php?product_id=707155&option=Prod_detail&image_id=363807 Paddocks have these Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpb Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 Try ebay, http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PAIR-FORGED-JATE-RIN...1QQcmdZViewItem One of my mates had good service from this chap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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