ebdesignDEFENDER Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 I just dicovered theat my DEFENDER 1997 station wagon hard top--- has NO anti roll bar (missing) in front and rear-- Is it posibile theat my landy was from manufacture without this part- or the old owner foget to put them back ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrfarmer Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 I may be wrong but didn't you have to pay more to have anti-roll bars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmgemini Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 My Defender 1995 110 station wagon doesn't have anti roll bars fotted either. Never has had by the looks of the brackets. mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromit Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 This was discussed before and there doesn't seem to be any hard and fast rule as to what trucks had them as standard originally. Is your truck lifted at all? If it is, the roll bars normally need to be removed as they reverse under articulation, crushing your brake pipe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dantd5 Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Mine is a 99 hard top model.... No antirollers either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top90 Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 I think they were fitted with alloys as a new option. My 05 110 CSW didn't have them, but I put that down to not buying four alloys for £800 on the options list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveG Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 I think they were fitted with alloys as a new option. My 05 110 CSW didn't have them, but I put that down to not buying four alloys for £800 on the options list. Can't be that, as the 05 110 XS doesn't have them too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top90 Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Maybe they just forget to fit them then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest diesel_jim Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 /Brummy accent somewhere in Solihul/ "What shall we do with all these antirollbars?" "ahh, stick 'em on ebay" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 I thought it was part of the Freestyle pack when they offered that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebdesignDEFENDER Posted April 21, 2008 Author Share Posted April 21, 2008 but what function has this AntiRollBar ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 but what function has this AntiRollBar ? nothing - you dont have one!!! they are designed to reduce at 'speed' body roll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 I thought it was part of the Freestyle pack when they offered that. correct. Freestyle equipped vehicles had them, and some older County spec vehicles had them too, with the Boge strut on the rear axle (110 SW). They are certainly not standard on most Defenders though the Puma vehicles do now seem to all have them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromit Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 but what function has this AntiRollBar ? An anti roll bar (or sway bar if you are a merkin) is a flexible bar that connects the axle to the chassis thereby reducing the amount the chassis can roll in relation to the axle. As JST says, this means that at speed, going around a corner, the body of the truck will roll less and it'll feel more stable. For off-roading, you want the axle to move as independently of the chassis as possible, to keep each wheel in contact with the ground. As an anti roll bar will reduce movement or articulation, they are usually removed, and you just put up with the increased body roll on the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ101 Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Strange,, of all the last few 110 DC and SW i have had,, all have had the anti-roll bars !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmgemini Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Removing the ant-roll bars are a No No I understand. One person that I know of has been threatened with prosecution if you takes his Discovery onto the road without them fitted as he has removed them. mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top90 Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 They are certainly not standard on most Defenders though the Puma vehicles do now seem to all have them. Mine doesn't. May be as it's a hardtop (not SW) and does not have the HD suspension upgrade or alloys, I wanted more articulation for off-roading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nas90 Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 My 1995 nas had front and rear anti-roll bars fitted They were a PITA reduced articulation off-road, needed new rubber bushes every other MoT, they got taken off and sold at Old Sod's sort-out a few years ago If they are not fitted forget them, they really serve no useful purpose. However, I run Rancho RS9000 adjustable shocks so if I need Golf GTi cornering speeds, well it is a V8 mate, then I bang up the pressures in the shocks, even mid-corner with the door handles inches from the tarmac and round we go........................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebdesignDEFENDER Posted April 21, 2008 Author Share Posted April 21, 2008 Thanks all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat_pending Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Originally they where only fitted to the rear of 110 csw's together with the Boge self leveller and softer rear springs. So they wouldn't be on pick ups, or hard tops or if HD non levelled suspension had been specified on a csw. Then it all gets a bit confusing with the advent of the 300 tdi, and then td5, when they could also be found on the front and rear of 90s 110s and 130s as standard, but SOME suspension options still did not have them. They were also optional/standard fit on later RRCs and then Discos. So the brackets being on the chassis is no indication of whether they should be there or not, it's what SPRINGS are fitted that decide. If a vehicle is fitted with springs designed to be used in conjunction with anti roll bars then removal of the bars IS an MOT fail. So how does an MOT examiner know if anti roll bars should be fitted or not ?.....He probably wont have a clue (though he might). If you fit OE springs designed to run without them, remove them. If you have aftermarket springs and the manufacturer states that they can be used without anti roll bars then it's OK to remove them. Otherwise don't or risk an MOT fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicks90 Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 my 95reg 90csw had them fitted as standard, but soon got removed. pointless waste of time, never noticed any difference to be honest. But then again, the firestone SATs would lose grip and fling me off the road LONG before the effect of the anti roll bars stop me from tipping over!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Removing the ant-roll bars are a No No I understand.One person that I know of has been threatened with prosecution if you takes his Discovery onto the road without them fitted as he has removed them. mike I took mine off before the last MOT and nothing was mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeagent Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Removing the ant-roll bars are a No No I understand.One person that I know of has been threatened with prosecution if you takes his Discovery onto the road without them fitted as he has removed them. mike sorry but I don't agree with that, they were a factory fit optional extra on some defenders, and Discos. my Dads old disco never had them fitted (no brackets either) my disco does have them (well, still has the rear one at the moment) At my last MOT (with reputable, and well known Landy specialist) I was told that it was fine to remove them, and it would have no ramifications come MOT time, they actually remove them from customer vehicles when doing off-road preparation. I've got a set of OEM heavy duty springs for the rear of my disco, when i fit them i'll be binning the rear ARB as landrover recommend it is removed when running HD springs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmgemini Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 sorry but I don't agree with that, they were a factory fit optional extra on some defenders, and Discos.my Dads old disco never had them fitted (no brackets either) my disco does have them (well, still has the rear one at the moment) At my last MOT (with reputable, and well known Landy specialist) I was told that it was fine to remove them, and it would have no ramifications come MOT time, they actually remove them from customer vehicles when doing off-road preparation. I've got a set of OEM heavy duty springs for the rear of my disco, when i fit them i'll be binning the rear ARB as landrover recommend it is removed when running HD springs. Interesting you should say that in the light of my other post about threatened prosecution if a person removed them. Or could that be sour grapes ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeagent Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 I'm a bit lost on this one.. how do you get prosecuted for removing an optional item on your vehicle. For many years (certainly upto the end of the 300Tdi era) ARBs were only fitted to certain models, you would not be in breach of type approval if you removed them, so i don't see the problem, particularly as Landrover recommend their removal when fitting stiffer springs, and never fitted them to utility/ commercial models anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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