Tris Cocks Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 The 12000lbs will probably use the same motor as the 9500lbs but will have lower gearing giving it more grunt and because of the lower gears it will also make it slower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milemarker Type S Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Not sure about the motor issue... The 12000lb model runs slower as it has a 251:1 gear ratio compared to 173:1 on the 9500lb model- David suggests that the larger is more suited to recovery trucks etc. David Bowyers website has all the info about them. The 9500lb is only £339 plus vat... (I have no connection with the company- just very impressed by this bit of kit...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 254:1 is what RV is running on the rear with a 6hp motor or Bowmotor - not sure which and i hear its slow but pulls like b***ery the 173:1 runs a 5hp motor so i suppose you could try that with a 6Hp or 5.6Hp Bowmotor if speed was an issue from what i have seen of them to date if you are after a winch for occasional use then these seem the way fwd £££ per pull. As Simon says i would be interested to see how they cope post 6mths of winter road salt etc, but then i expect it will be far better than any other winch in the price range. So thoughts on winch covers? do they keep the water out or moisture in? Chris your looking at 40kg with the wire rope and roller fairlead (i would go for a steel Hawse over rollers as well- something less to go wrong with the wire) 20kg with Synthetic rope and ali hawse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 90 Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Chris, I have a TDS as mid mounted on the challenge truck and its a nice bit of kit. As an "occasional use" winch I don't think there is anything better. They are nicely made, Good VFM, pull well and the extra seals should be perfect for a winch that probably isn't going to see lots of maintenance. As far as motors being water proof they are not. They do need to breath so if your going to seal it with silicone then fit a breather. Rain doesn't tend to be an issue but if you dont seal it and do give it a dunking then its only a five minute job to take the end plate off and let it dry out over night or give it a squirt with WD40 and stick it back together. As James says above, Go for a hawse of some sort, Stainless for synthetic or steel for steel. Rollers are more trouble than they are worth and will fly to bits if you have a side pull. For the use I would imagine you would have for it I would totally recommend the TDS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 I love hydros, but they ahve a drawback or 3. For sheer power Hydraulic set ups are hard to beat, but they can be slow, and there is often a problem with drive assist, whilst drive assist isn't so much of an issue re pulling power as the Hydro doesn't need drive assist as do some leccy winches, the lack of drive assist can be annoying for positioing, as without it its tricky Chris, much as tho I love Hydro go leccy, but get something decent, 8274 has to be at the top of the list ? Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Chris, much as tho I love Hydro go leccy, but get something decent, 8274 has to be at the top of the list ?Nige for occassional greenlane use - 8274 at £850 or TDS at £300 odd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted June 26, 2008 Author Share Posted June 26, 2008 Nige does not really understand electric winches though, bless him. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Nige does not really understand electric winches though, bless him. Chris Chris, No, thats grossly unfair, and I take great offence at that remark. I'll have you know I don't understand electrics Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honitonhobbit Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 My TDS gets more than occasional work and it just keeps on pulling. I keep checking the motor for water ingress but none as yet. Mike Cuff is running a TDS on the rear of his J**p with a 5.6 Bowmotor - he seems happy. The way the mount on his j**p is designed the rear winch gets wet and stays wet. Having just re-built his old EP9, I was a bit surprised as it was the most kna**ered EP motor I have seen out of about 70 odd. So it will be interesting to see how his TDS holds up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 knackered but still working or kaput? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveG Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 TDS 1200 on ebay from goodwinch for 339 buy it now and TDS8500 for 289, both inc VAT Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escape Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 AHHH, but you mount it at the start of the trail, not when your bogged down in peat. Only to find out you need the winch on the other side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honitonhobbit Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 knackered but still working or kaput? Still working of course! Two brushes were grey powder and the motor had been hot enough to distort the plastic mounting for the brush mounts; the windings were scored form molten solder that had formed when run to hot then cooled into a ool that interfered with the windings - but this isn't some crappy Warn we are talking here this is an EP9! So of course it still worked. Ran a tadge warm though. Oh and the previous servicer had been a beliver in the pack it with grease school of winchery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WALFY Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Speaking from experience there James I just wish Walfy was around Jase Are you missing me??? I heard from a reliable source that at the last event you ran around park ferme asking everyone if they had seen me. When you found out I wasn't about you skulked off to your truck and sulked all day Sorry for being O/T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted July 1, 2008 Author Share Posted July 1, 2008 Thanks everyone for the advice above. I have another question now. I plan to use steel cable on the winch as I do not plan to use it much. It was suggested that rather than having a roller fairlead, I go for a steel hawse fairlead. I think that this makes sense, as I do not really like the idea of a great big roller fairlead sticking out of the front of the Landrover and it seems like something else to have to maintain. I plan to use the winch infrequently for self recovery which I anticipate will mean straight pulls rather than side pulls and is unlikely to involve many pulls where the anchor point is substantially higher or lower than the winch. Does anyone have any strong feelings about this? Thanks Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Fine for your application Chris Get a pulley block to go with it and you should be good to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 less weight, less maintenance, less sticking out the front - ideal for your expected usage i would have thought. our work ones run wire with steel Hawse and they work fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 90 Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Chris, Our Kris (green 90 tray back at 4x4 adventures events) uses wire with a steel hawse after destroying more roller fairleads than you can shake a stick at. The roller ones just fly to bits, The cheap ones are complete rubbish and the expensive ones arn't much better. When they do fly to bits your in a right mess with the winch cable running the edge of your winch tray. He's real pleased, no trouble even on tight side pulls and I very much doubt he'll ever go back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderman Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Jase Are you missing me??? I heard from a reliable source that at the last event you ran around park ferme asking everyone if they had seen me. When you found out I wasn't about you skulked off to your truck and sulked all day Sorry for being O/T I think your absence worked wonders with us . You know im only kidding mate. Thanks everyone for the advice above. I have another question now.I plan to use steel cable on the winch as I do not plan to use it much. It was suggested that rather than having a roller fairlead, I go for a steel hawse fairlead. I think that this makes sense, as I do not really like the idea of a great big roller fairlead sticking out of the front of the Landrover and it seems like something else to have to maintain. I plan to use the winch infrequently for self recovery which I anticipate will mean straight pulls rather than side pulls and is unlikely to involve many pulls where the anchor point is substantially higher or lower than the winch. Does anyone have any strong feelings about this? Thanks Chris Chris Hause fairlead is a good choice , I ran one on the back with a husky and steel , No worries about damage just a little clean up with a Dremmel now and then . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 I used to have a hawse on my old 8274 and had no problems at all. As already said, rollers are often more trouble than they are worth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ101 Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Well a update some time Chris This thread is not good without pictures Like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted July 30, 2008 Author Share Posted July 30, 2008 I am away at the moment Tim, remind me when I get back... Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ101 Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 I am away at the moment Tim, remind me when I get back...Chris Yep, know you are south at present,, As if i would let you forget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 your away again!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveG Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 I can update you on mine I replaced my ep9 with a TDS 9.5 after buying one off David Bowyer at Billing. It was an easy straight swap from this... to this... TDS 9.5 is as expected - it has an easier to use freespool, beefier drum supports and also I noticed that it's taller. I didn't notice this until I fitted it and this extra height will allow more rope on the drum than an EP9. I've yet to try the the seals, but they have a good reputation in this area. So far everything works as it should and seeing as most of the brake/gearset is similar to EP9 I should have a good relaible winch, and with the seals slightly less servicing. Here's some more pics.. Cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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