najw Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 As there seems to be quite a lot of talk about new trucks, events and series for 2009, I thought it was a good time to share with you a new event we are planning for next year. Xtreme Timed Challenge This will be a new take on the classic Point to Point discipline which will require teams to visit a set number of points around a course in the shortest time possible. I envisage 20-30 'gates' that the vehicles must pass through over a 2-3 mile course, using CyberKeys to record their visit. The route taken between gates is free. Cars would start at one minute intervals and there would be a set number of laps to be completed through the day. Kirton Off Road Centre have agreed to allow the first event to take place at their site on a date to be decided. Regulations would be in line with the MSA Point to Point criteria. Now comes the crunch... As this is a speed discipline teams will require the following: MSA Clubman License (£10) MSA approved helmets MSA approved fire extinguishers MSA approved Harnesses MSA specification full rollcage I envisage this appealing to Challenge, Safari and Modified trials drivers, although a winch is likely to be required for the purposes of self recovery. The severity of the course would be somewhere between current Challenge and Comp Safari events. The first event will require a minimum of 12 cars to get it off the ground, so before we go any further in the planning stages we need to get an indication if there is any interest. If the first event takes place and is a success then there will definitely be a second event in 2009. I look forward to your comments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Abel Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 As there seems to be quite a lot of talk about new trucks, events and series for 2009, I thought it was a good time to share with you a new event we are planning for next year.Xtreme Timed Challenge This will be a new take on the classic Point to Point discipline which will require teams to visit a set number of points around a course in the shortest time possible. I envisage 20-30 'gates' that the vehicles must pass through over a 2-3 mile course, using CyberKeys to record their visit. The route taken between gates is free. Cars would start at one minute intervals and there would be a set number of laps to be completed through the day. Kirton Off Road Centre have agreed to allow the first event to take place at their site on a date to be decided. Regulations would be in line with the MSA Point to Point criteria. Now comes the crunch... As this is a speed discipline teams will require the following: MSA Clubman License (£10) MSA approved helmets MSA approved fire extinguishers MSA approved Harnesses MSA specification full rollcage I envisage this appealing to Challenge, Safari and Modified trials drivers, although a winch is likely to be required for the purposes of self recovery. The severity of the course would be somewhere between current Challenge and Comp Safari events. The first event will require a minimum of 12 cars to get it off the ground, so before we go any further in the planning stages we need to get an indication if there is any interest. If the first event takes place and is a success then there will definitely be a second event in 2009. I look forward to your comments Count me in new truck will have an MSA approved cage. We need something like this to keep the sport evolving, I love the concept of the King of the hammers in the states and to bring an event like this to the UK is a great idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtail4x4 Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 But is it a big job sticking a MSA cage in a £50 suzuki? I bet the bugger still does well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigblue Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 Bring it on. Judging by the way you lot love speed, I can see it being oversubscribed, even with all the official MSA gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan kemp Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Count me in for the new truck, if it ever gets finished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon red90 Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Count me in new truck will have an MSA approved cage. We need something like this to keep the sport evolving, I love the concept of the King of the hammers in the states and to bring an event like this to the UK is a great idea awesome. cant wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthy boy Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 We will bring a buggy or very possibly 2. Will vehicles need to be road registered and / or road legal? i.e. road legal on the day of competition. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizla 1 Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Hey Neil - What about rear steer in a speed event and hydro steer - ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave W Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 You do know this has been done before by COR ? I think it was the Ironman Challenge where we had to complete as many laps as possible over 2 days, navigating between waypoints and winching where necessary. They set up 3 different courses, each with it's own set of waypoints, that way you had 3 different circuits to "learn" before you could start driving without navigating. It was a good event format though I don't remember there being many finishers after 2 days ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobbymogs Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 i would love to have a go at this but i dnt think that my budget or my little SJ will allow me to compete in this event but you can certainly put me down to marshall for you Nobby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D9OSV Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 No Brainer.... We'll be there, sounds like fun. Without meaning to sound silly? is Kirton big enough?? Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Butler Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Sounds like fun... but my only worry is that there might end up being big traffic jams or people running each other over to get by on the sections... We done an even a few years back (Winchman 04) which was set out like this... and if there was a narrow bit to the section and somebody got stuck, or somebody got stuck trying to get the punch.... then there was a biiiiiig tale back... Was an great event tho... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
istruggle2gate11 Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 No Brainer.... We'll be there, sounds like fun. Without meaning to sound silly? is Kirton big enough?? Jim Silly Boy! A gentle reminder, look at the scale bar You have only ever seen 50% of the site at best - Keys for the south side may be getting dusted off - that place is hell on earth! Just ask DirtyDiesel or KingCJ if you dont believe me! Question - Xtreme? Playing with words Neil? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
najw Posted September 21, 2008 Author Share Posted September 21, 2008 To answer the questions thus far... Vehicles will not need to be road taxed or road legal. (From 2009 vehicles will not need to be taxed to compete in AWDC challenges either) Rear steer will not be allowed but hydro steer will. Been done before? Maybe but I don't believe there are many new ideas under the sun, just fresh angles Kirton big enough? I think a 2-3 mile lap is possible plus if Roger hands over the keys we could be looking at a 2 day event on 2 adjacent sites As said before, we are in the planning stages. We have a site, manpower, insurance & enthusiasm all we need now are drivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthy boy Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 To answer the questions thus far...Vehicles will not need to be road taxed or road legal. (From 2009 vehicles will not need to be taxed to compete in AWDC challenges either) Rear steer will not be allowed but hydro steer will. Been done before? Maybe but I don't believe there are many new ideas under the sun, just fresh angles Kirton big enough? I think a 2-3 mile lap is possible plus if Roger hands over the keys we could be looking at a 2 day event on 2 adjacent sites As said before, we are in the planning stages. We have a site, manpower, insurance & enthusiasm all we need now are drivers. Any tyre size regulations? Please say no! After all, any advantages gained through tyre size will be lost because the axles will keep breaking. Sounds like an absolutely excellent idea. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T1G UP Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Apart from the MSA cage etc it would be quite a cheap outing i would imagine. I'd be interested subject to the cage. is there link to the MSA regs for the cage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orgasmic Farmer Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 NOT MSA (but might be equivalent??) but a good read anyway ALRC rollcage regs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
istruggle2gate11 Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 NOT MSA (but might be equivalent??) but a good read anywayALRC rollcage regs I dont know these days, but certainly a few years back, the ARC spec exceeded msa spec (or more that the design was specific to Land Rover so very substantial) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsBob Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 This could be a very entertaining event, Kirton is a massive site and I look forward to marshaling there again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D9OSV Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 Silly Boy!A gentle reminder, look at the scale bar You have only ever seen 50% of the site at best - Keys for the south side may be getting dusted off - that place is hell on earth! Just ask DirtyDiesel or KingCJ if you dont believe me! Question - Xtreme? Playing with words Neil? I know little of the site, it was an honest question In which case........ Bring it on Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andylandy Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 where do i send my chq Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Turner Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 where do i send my chq I've got to see this.......... I've got a 25ltr drum of resin in the shed, i'll bring it along Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon red90 Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 Sounds like fun... but my only worry is that there might end up being big traffic jams or people running each other over to get by on the sections... is that not allowed!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andylandy Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 I've got to see this.......... I've got a 25ltr drum of resin in the shed, i'll bring it along mate do you wont sit in the passenger seat!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOR4x4 Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Sounds like this might be just the event the uk needs (almost like a mini Rhino Charge), what time of year roughly are you expecting the first event to be? Count me in. Adrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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