andylandy Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 Well we have all heard about it and here it is can some one post the pics for me just pm me thanks here's the spec David Bowyer of Goodwinch Ltd. announces a new high specification competition winch for those who need exceptionally powerful, fast and safe winches for both the front and rear of their vehicles. 10 years ago David designed and developed the incredible G10 and later the G12 planetary winch. These have proved beyond all doubt that his thinking was spot on. By using large drums running on greasable roller bearings with seals all round it makes the winches more powerful through efficiency, and waterproof. Now by using his brilliant 5.6HP Bowmotors and his award winning Dyneema-Bowrope, he has gone back to the drawing board and designed the World’s finest fast winch with an incredible number of features for not only the competitive man, but also those who want the very best. David Bowyer’s NEW HIGH SPEED G12 brings together just about everything a man (or woman) could ever dream about in a winch. If you think about it, a winch has to work incredibly hard dragging a vehicle across mud, out of mud pits, and up impossibly steep banks. In many cases some ordinary winches struggle, even with snatch blocks in use. Some may ask, why do you need a fast winch? Well, whilst driving the road wheels when winching and taking some of the load off the winch as you start gaining grip, a fast winch will reel the rope in onto the drum rapidly enabling you to get quickly onto firm ground without driving over the rope! And remember, the faster you can travel across a muddy area, the less likely you are to keep getting bogged down! A bit like trying to cross mud in as high a gear as possible, Keeping the speed up without digging in. The NEW HIGH SPEED G12 encompasses the following revolutionary high specification features to make this a very serious winch indeed for safe controlled winching operations in the off road field around the world in the many challenge events. It has also been designed for the business user for fast retrieval of materials up banks and pulling electric cables up onto poles or pylons using the long drum model. The NEW GOODWINCH G12 has also been designed with the Military user in mind for fitment to many different types of 4x4 and 6x6 vehicles for various roles of duty. Features of the top model : • Dual Bowmotors in either 12 or 24 volt give a combined output of 11 HP giving exceptional power to pull hard and fast whenever the going gets tough • Twin speeds give a high ratio of 119:1 for fast pulling across mud and a slightly lower ratio of 164:1 giving tremendous pulling power when winching up steep banks. A simple push/pull lever selects the speed • All gears are induction hardened other than the last intermediate gear (35mm wide teeth) and the final output gear (50mm wide teeth!) which are case hardened • Efficient lever operated freespool direct drive into winch drum, making the pulling off of the Dyneema-Bowrope (or wire rope) a joy • The aluminium gearbox casing has level, drain and filler/breather plugs • There is a choice of drum widths. The standard large flanged 216mm drum takes 125 feet (38m) of 12mm Dyneema-Bowrope and an optional extra special wide drum which takes 175 feet of 12mm Dyneema-Bowrope • The rope, either Dyneema-Bowrope or wire, is easy to secure to the drum with a grub screw at a right angle to the rope end • Both drums rotate in 65mm roller bearings with twin ‘V’ ring seals each side to keep water out and the clean grease in, along with grease nipples on the top of each aluminum drum support. Proven design for efficiently from the original G10 and G12 planetary winches • To strap the two drum supports together there are 3 tie rods well clear of the drum to not only hold the roller bearings perfectly square, but also to stop any loose rope from ‘going over the top’ • A disc brake is fitted to the right hand end of the drum and operates as a fail safe system. The drum comes to a halt very quickly when releasing the in/out hand control button • A special oil has been developed for the upright twin speed vertical spur Gearbox to allow for all hot and cold climate conditions • The spur gearbox can be fitted either vertically for the front of all 4x4s or horizontally backwards for low profile rear mounting • Two heavy duty Albright solenoid sets are provided in an enclosure, one for each motor • The no-load line speed is about 85 feet per minute in high gear and 60 feet in low gear. Pulling capacity in high gear is 10,000lbs and low gear 12,000lbs • A single motor version will also be available for non-competitive winching, but will still have a twin speed gearbox and all the other features It will be called the NEW G10 winch Simply put, the NEW DUAL MOTORED, HIGH SPEED, DISC BRAKED, SPUR GEAR G12 winch has all the hallmarks of engineering excellence brought about through hands on knowledge in winching for over 20 years. The NEW G12 will be available to view at the Land Rover enthusiast Billing Show over the weekend of 21st to 23rd July on the Goodwinch stand at the end of the arena. This remarkable new winch will be available on a World Wide basis either direct or through his Dealer Network this Autumn. NEW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest diesel_jim Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 Some pre-production pictures of said winch. Sorry about the size, but it didn't want to shrink them too much so that you can see the detail involved. Gotta love the brake!!! B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombraider110 Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 I WANT ONE. IT EVEN LOOKS GOOD TO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andylandy Posted June 17, 2006 Author Share Posted June 17, 2006 This is a pre production The model for sale will have a cast casing the case at the moment is profiles bolted together I can’t wait to get me muddy paws on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 Hark, is that the sound of a thousand chequebooks being pulled from pockets? Credit to the man for coming up with the sort of thing people would otherwise try and build, seems a few UK suppliers are finally catching up with the UK market. Can't wait to see the price tag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtydiesel Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 It's just a pity it's got two of the s**tist motors known to man on it. A 5.6 hp bowmotor is the single most unreliable item i've ever bought (an i've bought a lot of s**t) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bush65 Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 I can't see any lever for changing speed in those pics. Perhaps that prototype is single speed, but it is a wide gear case. The popular 8274 is a poor design, based on an older winch that Warn bought. Which speaks poorly of their lowmounts and all of the imitators. So I welcome someone who wants to make a decent attempt to advance vehicle winches. I like some of his ideas. I have often thought that I should build a better winch from scratch than all of the stuffing around I have done to improve the sows ear 8274. Instead of the 8274 style of gear reduction, or the lowmount type planetary gear reduction, I would prefer to use a Sumitomo cyclodrive reduction (for efficiency and compact size). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 Nice B) Wonder how long before somebody puts a pair of XP motors on one? Sumitomo cyclodrive reduction Is that an idea nicked from Star Trek? No load line recovery speed = Warp 9 Beam me up Scotty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR90 Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 Nice to see another option for a hiline winch but I guess all those features will not make it price comparable with the 8274. Odd that the winch even in prototype form hasn't been tested/used in anger yet on the challenge scene or has it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bush65 Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 Nice B) ...Is that an idea nicked from Star Trek? No load line recovery speed = Warp 9 Beam me up Scotty! I have used cyclodrive gearmotors a lot, when a large speed reduction is required. A single stage cyclodrive can have a very large speed reduction compared to gears. Because sliding friction is eliminated (gear teeth mostly slide) due to using rollers in the mesh, they are very efficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollythelw Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 11hp? how quaint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest diesel_jim Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 Nice to see another option for a hiline winch but I guess all those features will not make it price comparable with the 8274. Odd that the winch even in prototype form hasn't been tested/used in anger yet on the challenge scene or has it? I think, from what i've heard from the manufacturer, that several "test pieces" are being let out into the community for certain folk to try and break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 11hp? how quaint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pritch1 Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 so how does the brake work on this one. im thinking of doing something similar on a low line winch but was planning on using a fiddle brake lever to lock the disc but does this atomatically work when u stop the winch motor? any one any ideas?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 i ahve a bowmotor on my rear husky and no complaints to date, its worked a dream and had several dunkings etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 pritch1, I seem to recall that Paul Wightman built a disc brake on the end of the new "Super 8274" he built for Piggy. There is a thread on the build up somewhere on here, but last time I looked for it the pics had all expired. No doubt Paul will be able to offer some advice though I also seem to remember him fitting a Bowmotor to the same winch, so bearing in mind Paul's usual habit of collecting silverware in most of the competitions he enters, I guess they can't be too bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pritch1 Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 yea i have seen that brake before but he fitted it and used his redundant clutch pedal to operate it there was talk of using an actuator so that when u killed the winch the brake came on automatically. made me wonder what they had done with this winch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02GF74 Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 just wondering, why two motors instead of 1 bigger one (of equal power) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 just wondering, why two motors instead of 1 bigger one (of equal power) Bigger motors are even harder to find! I have no doubt that this will be very good - but it's hardly 'out of the box' thinking. I like the Sumitomo cyclodrive - essentially an epicyclic achieved with rollers. Very clever - but I have an even better idea! Just need to find that 10k to develop it! Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D9OSV Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 just wondering, why two motors instead of 1 bigger one (of equal power) Well said.... Have been doing twin motor conversions for sometime and i'll be watching with intrest to see if this winch has the problems i expect it to....... Andy, is this prototype going to Ireland in a couple of weeks????????? Be intrested, we have a proto winch going out for testing thats remarkably similiar Fair play to David, he's done what he set out to do and wish him every success........ does look nice......and very similair to an 8074.......... kind of ironic Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 90 Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 That looks awsome! Shamr the casing is gona be cast coz it looks real nice with all the layers, Guess it would be too expensive, costly to do like that tho! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_warne Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Hmmmm, interesting..... Looks beafy, though. If the disk brake is the only brake on the winch I'd be slightly concerned, though, as I can't see how you'd easily make it automatically operate the caliper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Wightman Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 This is a pre production The model for sale will have a cast casing the case at the moment is profiles bolted together I can’t wait to get me muddy paws on it andylandy, you had a chance to try out the new Bowyer creation yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 I e-mailed "The Daddy of Winching" to ask how much the G12 weighs compared to, say, an H14, and this was the fantastically accurate response I got: Dear John,It is about the same weight I guess. Best Regards David Bowyer Goodwinch Limited So he doesn't actually know how much it weighs, or if he does he's not admitting to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 So he doesn't actually know how much it weighs, or if he does he's not admitting to it I am guessing now but, if "The Daddy" ( ) is still at the prototype stage with his new winch and has not yet had production cases cast and been able to build and weigh production winches, it must be something of a tough call for him. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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